Sex, Drugs, and Epigenome

Episode 1 - Things About Your Immune System That You Didn't Know

April 16, 2020 William Seeds MD Season 1 Episode 1
Sex, Drugs, and Epigenome
Episode 1 - Things About Your Immune System That You Didn't Know
Sex, Drugs, and Epigenome
Episode 1 - Things About Your Immune System That You Didn't Know
Apr 16, 2020 Season 1 Episode 1
William Seeds MD

Sex, Drugs, and Epigenome is a podcast about our health, the good/bad drugs that effect it, and how your born genetics can be influenced to increase wellbeing and longevity.

Our expert is Dr. Seeds, a Board-Certified Surgeon of 25+ years, Medical Director of the Spire Institute, an Olympic training facility, and Medical Consultant for the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, and NBC's Dancing with the Stars.

He's been treating professional athletes for years, and now he's determined to get his knowledge of peak performance into EVERYONE'S hands. You don't have to be an athlete to work at your full capacity everyday. You just have to care.

Episode 1 - Cell Efficiency in Your Immune System
This first episode is all about the immune system.

You know your immune system is the defender of your body from viral infections like COVID-19, but it is more than that.

It is the defender of your health, your wellbeing, and your daily ability to function at peak without sputtering.

This episode is a deep dive into this pandemic, what the treatments were in the past that worked, and how Dr. Seeds is treating his patients today with the virus. 

His approach isn't to race to a vaccination. His approach is to up-regulate your own immune system, in ways that accessible, effective, and empowering.

You will leave this episode more knowledgeable about your own immune system, and hopefully will spark passion to continue to learn about your own health.

Show Notes Transcript

Sex, Drugs, and Epigenome is a podcast about our health, the good/bad drugs that effect it, and how your born genetics can be influenced to increase wellbeing and longevity.

Our expert is Dr. Seeds, a Board-Certified Surgeon of 25+ years, Medical Director of the Spire Institute, an Olympic training facility, and Medical Consultant for the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, and NBC's Dancing with the Stars.

He's been treating professional athletes for years, and now he's determined to get his knowledge of peak performance into EVERYONE'S hands. You don't have to be an athlete to work at your full capacity everyday. You just have to care.

Episode 1 - Cell Efficiency in Your Immune System
This first episode is all about the immune system.

You know your immune system is the defender of your body from viral infections like COVID-19, but it is more than that.

It is the defender of your health, your wellbeing, and your daily ability to function at peak without sputtering.

This episode is a deep dive into this pandemic, what the treatments were in the past that worked, and how Dr. Seeds is treating his patients today with the virus. 

His approach isn't to race to a vaccination. His approach is to up-regulate your own immune system, in ways that accessible, effective, and empowering.

You will leave this episode more knowledgeable about your own immune system, and hopefully will spark passion to continue to learn about your own health.

spk_1:   0:01
Dr Seizes 1st 11 our first of many Webinars. And I'm glad to finally have him nail down to do his own thing. Which is what? The world, Um, I want to give you a quick intro on why we're here and why Dr Seizes the man with the plan of before we get into that on introduction of doctor says, I want you guys to know that that Cove in 19 is here. Doctor sees has been saying that for the last two months at some of his medical seminars and lectures, Um, he's been preaching that and giving treatment advice to all of his students as he runs a medical training company. Ah called the I PS, the International Peptide Society. He's been doing this for the last two months, while we're now just starting to see how serious it is and how worse it will continuously get. We're not saying that here to instill fear, were were saying that now to accept that this is what's going to happen, and here's how we can do to keep you in your loved ones safe and doctors. He's going to talk more about that first, you know, we have hundreds of thousands of cases off current virus. And Trump says we're gonna just probably sees upwards of 240,000 deaths just in the US alone. My old state is the stuff that doctor sees has been sending me, um, and at first, you know, most most people when they when they for first get to know Dr Seeds and especially some of them if they're coming here from the baking soda article, uh, they're just hangs has no his line of work. There will be some hesitation. Rightfully so. Traditional medicine is is a little backwards. If I could speak freely a little backwards when it comes to the ways that we're dealing with this kind of very serious pandemic with this kind of spread, Um, and really there myself. When I first met doctor sees a over a year ago now there was some hesitation on my end as well and a lot of misunderstanding about my own health and wellness that he's since they're out, because many once of working with them directly how I've come around and I I now understand that my misunderstanding of my own health and long this was because of my lack care to understand the education behind it. And he's since given sending me, you know, profusely these articles on not only what's happening in the world with diseases on recently Kobe 90 but prior to that with peptides and his treatment protocols and supplements all of these things and after following him. And we have this all on film or video, we're filming him as a vehicle for weeks hearing his patients with these remarkable stories. We're hearing testimonials that we're putting together on some of these. I hate to say miraculous of recovery stories, but if you're talking about, you know, ah, wheelchair ridden 80 year old women who have been told by their traditional doctors that they will never walk again on Lee after six months or so walking on their own with doctor sees his treatment is that nothing short of a miraculous recovery? That's what I would say. The results speak for themselves, but let me give you his his actual bio. His a board certified surgeon practicing medicine for over 25 years, he's the founder and chairman of the International Peptide Society. He's a faculty developer, lecturer of the A for a peptide certification for a ground Together Your Brother, cause it goes on a leading peptide therapy researcher, chief of Surgery, an orthopedic residency and site director for the University Hospital in Ohio. He's the professional medical consultant for the NFL, the NHL, the N B A, the MBL and NBC's Dancing with the Stars. And I think that about covers everything except for his most treasured success, which is that he is a husband and father, which he always reminds me that touches is biggest accomplishment in life. So I'll let a I'll let the doc say a couple of boats that it doesn't cover everything talking about everything for you.

spk_0:   3:59
Well, boy, turn, You got the last part, right? And and, um and that's all that's That's the That's the heart of their also, Thank you.

spk_1:   4:10
Awesome. Well, we're gonna first start with your process, and I really want to Ah, hone in because we're dealing with this crisis, your process in June and looking at over 19 which always starts from these three main things, right? You walk me through this and I want everyone to see the staple employees in their head as we're going through you always start with the history of this pandemic. And we This is not the first pandemic that we as humans have dealt with. There have been a couple and Doc will talk about them coming up. He's going to talk about the scientific and medical research fight he has behind it, and then he's gonna come up with what his treatments are based upon this massive research. So all of those things are going to come into play. We're gonna talk about preventative care as well as if you have Cove in 19 and experiencing symptoms. And if you know someone with severe symptoms of covered 19 that might be already on respirators or in the line of respirators off, he's gonna also talk about those three cases. So first stock. Let's talk with talk about some of the history that you did when you were researching your own treatment protocols, starting first with that SARS outbreak in southern China in 2002. So if he can maybe touch upon, like how severe it was, what caused it, why was it so dangerous? I'd like to kind of look at that history,

spk_0:   5:33
Sure. So the and thank you for taking the time to put this all together. And to be part of this with me, it really means a lot for me, Teoh. Really again, um educate people and potentially change some lives. Why? We're doing it. So thank you for being part of that Care in

spk_1:   5:56
the world Has a right to know.

spk_0:   5:58
Well, eso the the beginning of this understanding. I think of the stars this the, uh, the SARS cov one is we call it SARS dash Coke CEO v Dash One Um, that was the 2000 and two outbreak in southern China and that was Ah, 8000 infected, and I think about 800 deaths with about a 10% death rate. Um, there were only, I think, around eight US infections at the time, it barely made it through the U. S. And this was a virus that had significance in the fact that it had a 10% death rate, which is high, and Aziz, we know have been used to the influenza virus of less than 1% in the US in the past. This was something very significant at the time where we were concerned that this potentially could be something that would make it here to the U. S. At that time. So there was a lot of uncertainty and a lot of us that followed that at that time, there wasn't much research it all again. And so from that we have a tremendous amount of research to move forward in looking at this SARS cov to which, if we look at the sequencing of these viruses there, they have, like, 73% Tamala. Gee, meeting, they're very, very similar. They have this the same effect as faras the acute respiratory distress syndrome aspects as the disease gets worse. So that's why we have so many similarities and what we can do to look at this. And so that was a virus that was transmitted, We believe at the time, from bats to humans on. And it was at that and that was felt to be related to the aspect of, um, more so of these markets of where in China, where they eat wild game and that is that has been always if we look in history, a lot of our viruses and diseases come from that transmission of eating wild game. That is, that is off. Not typical in our food chain on. That's a whole new. That's a whole other discussion. But that is a There's a lot of similarities there that we that we should appreciate and moving forward. I think we really have to look at, uh,

spk_1:   8:46
uh, quick question. So even the want the up the size outbreak that we're talking about now, in 2002 was also fuck from bats transmitted from that. Is that correct?

spk_0:   8:56
Well, it's it, actually. Now it looks like it can. It has come from the the reptile called the the, uh uh, hag nota the Magnin. It's called Angle, and yes.

spk_1:   9:14
Yeah, that's crazy On the double looking thing. Yes.

spk_0:   9:18
Yeah, well, if you ask, I got in trouble with my family because of some of my issues. Um uh, of how I my color blindness kind of effects, How I look at things and I'd send it to my family, said, Oh, it's a possum. And boy, I got I got ridiculed very quickly because I couldn't see that armor on the London on the Penguins. So But anyways, so yeah, it is felt that the transmission is actually from the back to the Pegula. And then the Magdelin is Ah ah, wild type of food that is sold in those type of market. So again, there's a lot of issues that we need to be aware of. And we really gotta look at this very seriously now, because maybe we weren't meant to eat these type of animals,

spk_1:   10:11
like nature's way of saying that absolutely

spk_0:   10:15
wild there from, you know, they're there. They're from areas that are there. Reasons there. I would say the reasons, um that we have to really pay attention to because of the significance of all the most of all the viruses and problems we've had come from those type of animals.

spk_1:   10:37
This is all of those bush meats I waken get into a whole other webinar about that. But just in the interest of staying on topic, which about the fascinating conversation you and I have to have, um what? Why was this so critical for your research? You mentioned a couple of things that came out of this despite the fact that there was very little research about this kind of, um, virus off. So

spk_0:   11:02
what? So what? We have this. So this was something to give us a leg up on looking at, uh, at the viruses faras because it was so similar and because it had some of the very similar symptoms other than it wasn't as infectious as this viruses. This virus is very infectious, and that's why we have seen that we see the rate of climb. And that's why, as you stayed in the beginning, why I was so concerned, very beginning as I saw those changes, Uh, that was very concerning of how quickly it was spreading. And that's and that's an indicator. When you look at statistics, you have to be very concerned, um, about that type of infection rates. So So the so understanding that, um, the looking at this and at the outbreak in what was happening in China, we started getting a lot of information that was showing similarities to this other virus. That was in 2000 and two and and we had information to that was of importance also with, um, the murders virus that was in in Jordan in 2012. That was a ah camel to human virus that was more contained, and

spk_1:   12:29
that was contained, Doc, because of the transmission. You said it's because it was a camel to human. Which is why we didn't see any of those infections in the U. S. Is that is that correct?

spk_0:   12:40
Yes. Yeah. So what's so in interesting about this virus is because of all this data we've had. We understand what the virus looks like. We understand this thing called the spike protein, which is the important aspect of this virus in particular. Right behind me, the spikes there is a spike protein that will combine in humans with something called the Ace two receptor. It's a very similar mechanism and understanding how the stars became this respiratory problem, Um, and understanding how it enters into the cell and so that uses that receptor to enter the cell. And that understanding has been significant. So we have some ideas of, Well, what can we do to attack this virus and because we have no immunity to this virus and that's what everybody needed to understand. There is. We have no immune response. So what are our choices? Well, our choices would be one to have a vaccination that could potentially with antibodies or or other ways to go directly at these fight proteins, which is we don't have and is being developed and working on. And that can take quite a long time to happen. Or there could be potentially a peptide that could find to the spike proteins and inhibited from entering the cell. And actually that has been developed by M i t. Some brilliant researchers have developed at and are pushing it into animal models Right now. Oh, I see that as even a better process of developing a way of dealing with this by protein. Um, there's also there. I should also tell you there are peptide vaccinations that are being developed and looked at right now. Well, what? But so and then the other aspect we have is something that's been used for a long time, and that's using someone who has already been exposed to this virus that has developed their own antibodies toe fight off the virus. And that is something where we can take the plasma and give it to people to try to help in fighting this virus. So So those air some avenues that plasma one is one we're looking. We're actually trying to utilize right now. It has some efficacy and it's been around for 100 years has been something that we've known about it used in the past for other diseases, viral diseases. And and it can work to some to some degree. So

spk_1:   15:20
duck look like, so just round out why we went about this this conversation and talking about what's currently being done is because of the history of these other, you know, SARS outbreaks that happened all over the world. What came about from it was the fact that we knew that the spike proteins was the issue. We knew that the ace to receptors was the issue on part of the issue. And then back then, they used some of those peptides in order to make people feel better. Is that correct?

spk_0:   15:56
Yes. Yes,

spk_1:   15:58
I know. In particular, you had told me that the TA One was used in the 2000 and two SARS outbreak in China. On bond. That was one of the first thing that you recommended. I remember two months ago at that lecture that I happened to be out with you. Um,

spk_0:   16:15
yeah, yeah, and that was actually that's one of the ways we learned about the use of finance and Alfa One. They used it to stop transmission of the disease but also to prophylactically, treat people to up regulate the immune system to deal with the potential of getting the virus more than two or three papers that were produced in China on that in how they felt that was relevant and what they did. Now, right now, we have no idea, really what they did this time. But I got a feeling they used a lot of time. It's an awful one to some degree with other, you know, with other aspects of, ah of, uh, their treatments that we can go into

spk_1:   17:01
absolutely so just the non medical community out there, cause I understand when he goes into his medical terms, I understand maybe 1.1% of it by practically is preventative care. So that's what we're talking about. We'll talk about a one time a sin El fil one coming up. But also, you have mentioned that, um, this is what the 1st 3 papers that came out of it not just as preventive care, but also as a treatment. So we're gonna go into those differences in the preventative and the treatment in each one of these. But before we get into what you would recommend as a treatment based upon the history, I wanna said way into the current treatment that we've already kind of talked about you talked about? There's a plasma city. There's also that peptide study from M i T. But what about some of the current treatments that you don't necessarily agree with? Ana and I know there are quite a few. So if we can first start with a maybe I misunderstandings. But the n s a I d. Is that Is that something you agree with? I don't agree with the treatment. Um, can you think

spk_0:   18:03
it s so you're talking about the use of, like, ibuprofen, non steroidals, ah, tree to treat inflammation and not a favor. Number one. We I think we can all appreciate just the side effects of using. But beyond that, the thought of using these non steroidals is that you know, when a virus attacks, the cell yourself has to be able to start in inflammatory response to try to deal with. That is the cell that the cell needs that and by using anti inflammatories

spk_1:   18:39
defense mechanism. You said

spk_0:   18:40
your yeah, you're actually may be blunting that defense mechanism. You may be lowering temperature. You may be making people feel a little better right off the bat. But you're delaying that process because the viral replication is going to continue, because now it has no offset from your in what we call the innate immune system. You've taken that away from the cell to make that decision on how to deal with the virus initially, and that is the same aspect of using steroids. Also, there's some aspects of using steroids here that can initially can be a good thing. But as time goes on or a bad thing because the virus can take over because it's still replicating and creating all its changes, Um, and the steroids air down, regulating part of the immune system, you need to deal with that. So really, what you have to do is you have to look at this and say, Boy, you know, the cell is a pretty smart cookie, right? It it really knows it's made it this far in life and knows it knows how to do things correctly. If given the right ingredients, let's say So what? Our focus and my focus has been more on looking at. How can we improve immune modulation? How can we? And that is not very dissimilar from all the things I preach about. Cell efficiency is very similar. But is it? How can this cell and the immune system how in look at the immune system as an immune cell? How can that be? How could sell make its choices and decisions in working against this virus for, say, And so that's my approach in. And it's my approach because, like I said, we we have no immunity this. So the whole thought process should be OK if we have no immunity. Well, what the heck can we do to improve our immune system to do its job? The best you can do it, and then that's how it that's.

spk_1:   20:49
And no see, this is a recurring fame. Folks, when we talk about the doctor sees recommended, you know, treatments and preventive stuff is all based upon letting your body figure it out, helping the body out to do those things. So we'll get into that more just like I do want to draw the the very important point that information is old has been given a bad rap by a lot of publications as a bad thing. Right when you're inflamed, it's about the and sure, I think chronic and information is where that badness happens that it's also that the very first defensive mechanism of your body reacting to something it doesn't know. Um and so, by stopping that with see the medicine and with aspirin and those kinds of things were preventing our our bodies from being able to fight off what it doesn't know and instead possibly even making it worse. Is that a good kind of the layman's terms explanation of that?

spk_0:   21:48
That's that's excellent. Perfect. Okay, you said it better than I could say it. Now I have to rethink what I'm doing.

spk_1:   21:57
I just Hey, I'm a writer, Doc. You know, that s so let's have the hydroxy chloral clean, which is a crazy word that looks and sounds very funny, But but this is has any down sides of this. First of all, what is it? Why is it such a big deal? And is there any downside?

spk_0:   22:17
Well, that So there's there's Clark Wang and Hydroxy Clark win and they are anti malarial. There initially antimalarial drugs and more. So the hydroxy clerk line are plaque Manila's. We know it is been utilized for immune diseases like Lupus and, uh, a different type of arthritic problems to assist in, um, trying to help with down regulating, to some degree helping with working with the immune system and, um, in particular through different uses off all these anti malarial drugs through in France and Italy end in China. With this recent outbreak, it started China than these docks. Some of the docks cold. Some of the information they've had trials of where they were utilizing the these, the clerk wine and hydroxy Corvinus. It looks like the eye drops you cooler coin is better and actually has had more responses. Um, and again, that data is still being gathered, but it it looks like it has the potential to offset this disease to some point. And and the the thought with that is that this helps in changing the acidity in the cell in the end zone that in cases the virus where it new tourism,

spk_1:   23:59
many layers deep in the cellar, we're talking

spk_0:   24:02
Well, this is the end of zone is actually what happens is the virus comes and attaches to the cell at the ace receptor, and then that membrane off the cell is broken off to encircle the virus and that pulls it into the cell. And then we call it like an end zone because it's in the cell, and that's where it starts its job. I mean, it starts by entering, and it starts by starting its cleavage and replication and things that happen in the end zone. Well, that pH in the end zone has to be decreased. It has to be more acidic. And they found that these are theories by all of the docks around the world in just putting together some aspects of what we know about viruses when they enter. Okay, and we just know that there is innocent environment. We know it needs an acidic environment to replicate. It's a cleave and replicate to replicate in Cleveland, he activated. And so that's what this high Brocks of Chlor client does to some degree, is it? It takes care of that aspect of neutralizing that acidity and and on top of it, some other doctors have been using Z packs with this also with this drug. And my my guess is that and that's what these people, when they're getting really sick is the other thing we have to also keep in mind is when people are getting viral infections and their bodies immune system is trying to fight off this viral infection. It sets you up for opportunistic in fact, bacterial infection so secondary infections can come in. So so that's why the Z pack can play another role in in working on that aspect of the bacterial aspect to So a lot has to be considered on why these things can be effective. And and I think it's getting ground because it's been used by multiple countries and they've seen successes. And and I think it's amazing how fast the FDA approved it for this use and and people are utilizing it now to the best of their ability to see if we can change people's lives and and here's my thought on that, you know, certainly we need the statistics. We need the data to validate this, but in this situation, if it makes 50% people better, that's that's great. If it makes 25% people better that had no chance. That's still great. One of the risks. There are some risks with these, and one of the aspects of using the hydroxy clerk win always has been about the retina of the eye. And that's something where we when we use that we have people get checks on the retina to make sure that because they can have, ah, retinal problems. But in this case scenario, because it's a lower percentage, I mean, it's one of those things were what else do we gotta using? And you have to consider those states. So I think that's just, you know, you can talk about side effects, but But listen, we've used it successfully in Lupus and certain arthritic diseases to some extent, Um, and people do get chapped for that. They get followed up. But it is something you have to realize, Um,

spk_1:   27:35
and Doc, what's a Z pack? For those who don't know, I don't know what that is.

spk_0:   27:39
That's a with mice, and it's an antibiotic. Ah, it's a broad spectrum type of antibiotic.

spk_1:   27:46
What does that mean?

spk_0:   27:48
Um uh, that it can work against gram negative and grand positive type of bacteria, I

spk_1:   27:57
Well, how you said that the Z pack is used to prevent the secondary infections that come out of it. When I think a lot of what some of the doctors are saying. Like, why are we using a Z pack when it's not even a bacterial infection like there?

spk_0:   28:11
Yeah, I'm sorry. I said it with reminds that I met Zithromax. I'm I'm sorry. Bet Zipper max. Not a richer bison. I blanked.

spk_1:   28:18
No worries. You need to drink more coffee.

spk_0:   28:21
Oh, here we go.

spk_1:   28:24
Ziffren license. I love this.

spk_0:   28:28
No, it wasn't it. I said I combined two words. It's so it's called Zithromax, not throw Max. I called exit from icing because I was thinking of a rhythm iced in. And I was trying to get out, uh, trying to get out. Zithromax and Zithromax is the name of uh, uh, It's another name for the CPAC, but it's called as it's called as zip row myson. So I was close, all right?

spk_1:   28:56
I mean, I wouldn't have known the difference all of this,

spk_0:   28:59
right, But I've got tricks up. I got out there that I gotta be careful. I get it. I got all my G's.

spk_1:   29:08
And when we when we finish the recording, we will make sure we have the corrects name of the drug out there. So that's good. So you don't necessarily critique. The use of this stock is what I'm hearing.

spk_0:   29:20
Well, no, I don't. Absolutely not. I mean, I think it's something that we can't turn our heads to it again. You know, my focus has been initially to work on the immune system and up regulated. This has not been in my arm. And, Terry, um, to do that because I don't need that. I am my patients and my people that have been prepared for this. I mean, if they need it, absolutely. I'm going to say, Hey, you know, who am I to say that I can control this? I can't. But all I can do is do the things I know how toe up regular immune system. And then if it comes to that, then certainly those are options at the time. At point of its, you know, attack that. You could do that. A Sfar is using it as a prophylaxis. I believe that I'm using better ways to go about that. Um,

spk_1:   30:11
that's Haselock when he says, like your people don't eat this, but that you're not critiquing it for other people who are not on your plan, I mean, that's That's a powerful statement because it's absolutely true. Like I am on your your plan and my whole family is, and we are in the one of the big epicenters in L. A right in the heart, and all of us are totally fine. I have to family members, one that I'm living with. It is under the same roof. That is totally fine. They're all health care providers, so they have to stay there. Essentials, a syllable toe work. We're totally fine. So I think that is very powerful. It needs to be said and repeated, Oh, Doc, let's let's go to something that you mentioned to me recently and you said that there's this auto zero lack of treatment for fibrosis, which I don't really understand what the disease. I I forgot to google it, but what is fibrosis and is it true that there's no treatment for it? And it's one of the things that happened when you get Corona virus.

spk_0:   31:14
It's not one of things. It's a potential of something that can happen. Um, fibrosis is a reaction after the infection has occurred, and it's a secondary thing that happens because of what your immune system has created. And that's where that's where this modulation is so important in what happens is when people get into respiratory issues that actually push them into further problems with meeting respirators like you see on television now, that whole problem is because not the virus itself into the environment. The virus sets up where your immune system just over compensates in trying to deal with this virus, and it overtakes the lungs and creates a You know what we call a cited claims storm. And it is create so many aspects of inflammation that are at a high high rate that the body can't handle it. And so that

spk_1:   32:22
storm that sounds like an excellent character.

spk_0:   32:25
Uh, it's just about it just means side of kinds are signaling their cited kinds. Their chemo kinds and their Prodi aces and cited kinds are these inner Liukin's that are created to that cause damage and cause. Bad things happen in cells. Let's say you get somebody threw it. There's damn secondary damage that has been caused. And there's five Broderick. There's there's the signaling system in the cells is gone awry. And they want that the cell starts laying down fibrous tissue. Um, because of some pathways that have been disrupted and which which we know, we know all these pathways. So and that's that's always been my approach. If we know the pathways in the cell, well, why don't we go right to the pathway and stop it? So, unfortunately, fibrosis is a significant aspect of in the in the lungs here with this disease, and it looks like it's gonna have some aspect in the in the heart for some people and potentially, I'm gonna I'm gonna take another step forward and say it's probably going to get to the kidneys to potentially, um, depending on how this disease takes hold. But so those are the common areas of fibrosis is that we have great difficulty where we have kidney failure, where we have heart disease and heart failure. And we have, um, you know, lung failure or are long term problems with five roses from the from that? So trying to answer your question, Yeah, we have of ways of working against fibrosis to to decrease the amount of fibrosis. And in fact, if it does happen, it may not be a significant and in my hopes are that we will show through the thousands of people that were working with that we prepared all these people well, and they didn't have to go through those steps. Um, that's gonna take a lot of data to collect. And there's always gonna be the argument up. Did you have the disease and that type of thing? So anyways, I'm just giving you ideas of things that this is This is what our mindset is is, uh, is actually going after these These things that we know can be dealt Terrians to the patient even if they get through it. So we're looking at the front end, and we're looking at the back end on we're trying to come to put together a compelling story, um, that we really may have a handle on working with the immune system in a way that maybe most people aren't haven't been open toe looking at or maybe thought it wasn't possible. Or, um, maybe it will make more sense now and we'll have a better story to tell, and people will kind of understand that Wow, Maybe I need to pay more attention to how I can change or or potentially give my body a step up right on improving my immune response to what's coming down the road. And unfortunately, um, this virus is not gonna be gone. It will be back and and Okay, that's that's something that's Ah, I I think compelling in why we're here today and so focused on not just giving this message out now about what's happening here, but also bringing a strong message of We need to be ready because life has changed, as as we know it. Um, but it's all about empowerment with knowledge of, you know, the more you know and the more you can take charge of your own body. Oh, yeah. Um, then it becomes a different story, and that's the power of what I think we we bring to the table in giving patients back some control. Absolutely. It's always about control, right?

spk_1:   36:47
Absolutely. That's 100% what happened? One patient at a time. You know, I'm a walking example of that. It's just the way that I can spit out pets. That information is because not only the spark of holy crap. Not only did this work for me, but it can change everything about the way that I sought help. And I almost kind of There's a great metaphor that just popped into my head as you're explaining, you know, yes, they're gonna be people that are going to say that this, this peptide that your that you say may decrease the fibrous tissue in in fibrosis. Did they really have the disease? But end of the day, if you're improving someone's immune system and they get sick and they're staying, stick for less amount of time and with less severity, that is a huge win. And you can we do that if you do have to take control of of what it is, that is your health and stop leaving it in the hands of a one size fits all type of treatment. You know that that's that's not really what's gonna work here. And we need to leave all of us as humans and take it into control. I 1000% agree about that. That's what it reminds me, Doc, when we were filming you in one of our videos. You know, we showed you our whole DSLR, these giant cameras on these tripods that weigh a ton and we have three of those for you. But yes, they were great to have. But the tidy little camera that was the size of a dying is the same amount of HD power as the one on the DSLR camera that would take, you know, a truckload to bring in the equipment. If we have three of those occurred on the same thing as is the Indians. The large, except for our perception of professional videography, must have all of this gigantic equipment for its of Nick before to matter. And I almost see that as a metaphor. It's the way traditional medicine is to this this new way, this regenerative medicine, and it's that it needs to look a certain way. And we had a another discussion about that. It needs to look a certain way, but it's all it's all facade

spk_0:   38:54
well, and I think you hit on a really good point in yourself is an example is it's just a ZMA much about education with patients and giving them that empowerment that they can understand this and that this is not this is meant to be, ah, transformation for the patient to as they take more control of their health because they understand why. And they understand what the potential is here, you know, you can never, ever, ever take away the power of education.

spk_1:   39:28
Powerful message. Right there. Can't take away the education. All right, looking to switch gears, we're gonna talk about the true local axis, the preventative care of that and treatments that that doctor seem to recommend Looking into, let's start start first with some of the supplements, like vitamins and the key to Nestor's. If you could speak to that and the dosage, that would be wonderful.

spk_0:   39:49
Sure, So So that the key tone aster is a, um is a great start because it's something that is a nutritional product. You know, I can certainly make recommendations and make statements, but in particular the ki hna ki tone. Esther, I can tell you this is a food that is highly refined, and it's all about giving the cell with something that is utilized as energy immediately. And that's the key to this. It's if you want. If you think about this. A cell going through stress is going to be a little more active, and it's going to require energy and the the typical way that a cell, a cell, doesn't look at food it looks at. It looks at the structure of a glucose molecule, a fatty acid or a protein right. And and it makes its choices to be flexible, to handle the stress of the day. So what happens is that flexibility is disrupted with any type of stress, and in particular, viral stress here could be significant. So right away we're giving the cell an energy choice that it doesn't even need to hesitate in making a decision. It's gonna take that key tone, Esther, right into the cell right away and no energy expenditure. And it's going to be able to make more energy right off the bat just with that process. So that's a given. Okay, And that's very important, because if we understand if we look at this, um and this is this is very significant because I'm actually why we're talking about this. I'm involved with a lot of very brilliant scientists and physicians around the country right now, where we're looking at instituting, you know, we're trying to work with, and I am trying to work with universities and trying to get the studies done to validate all of this right now, with viruses like this, um, so and when I say validate, I just mean have because nobody's had anything like this happen. No. One, you know, we're just everybody's looking. What can we do? What can we do so, so good Going back to this The key tone Esther gives the sell all the sudden disability to, um, sequester energy and to use it appropriately. So when it uses that energy, it's able to utilize it in a way that it can work against the inflammatory state that it's being hit with. Andi, that's a That's a good way to look at it. But there I could get into Cem. I could get into all the details you you want with this. Before

spk_1:   43:17
you do that, though, I think you made a really hit the nail on the head. We just talked about inflammation being a good thing in certain stages. Now, rather than go with, um, an anti inflammatory like an aspirin or acetaminophen to stop that are officially, he tone. Esther's is almost allowing that to happen. I don't know if it's faster on the move. It's more efficient in some way. But it's allowing that to happen, to go through the inflammatory state so that it passes that state and heels. Is that

spk_0:   43:48
APS? So? So you're you're right on target, and this is This is brilliant because because you're giving. So all I'm doing is I'm giving that sell more energy but the cells going to decide how to utilize the energy. And it's still going to be able to summon in the immune system the right way Or the immune cells are going to be able to use this key tone Esther in the right way, because again we have. We still give the cells the flexibility of making the right decisions, and that's always what it comes down to. You know, whenever we think we're more intelligent than the cell that I'm done because this cell is there there. There's a reason that the cell has evolved and got into where it is today is because it's a lot smarter than I am and and and everybody else, and we need to appreciate that on. That's

spk_1:   44:54
what part of my silly question but you said, could be risky. So I thought it was like a drink. But it's a food. So you chew it. And does it taste that?

spk_0:   45:03
Well, it is. It is a drink. Oh, it's refined. We refined it into a drink. Um, and we've made it taste pretty good. It's not too bad, huh? At one point, it used to taste like chirping. Tiny was terrible, but we've gotten better at it. And listen, eso So we have a lot of data on it because and there's a lot of data out there in utilization of its own esters, um, in cell efficiency and actually improving cell function. Um, and it's just now this gives us an opportunity to show the world how significant giving the sell a better substrate choice can really make a difference. Um, it only makes it only makes sense, um, in in issues like so. So just like you said with an anti inflammatory, my gosh, wouldn't What if I have something I can ask her that can help the cell make its decisions, uh, to utilize that innate system man and also up regulate the adaptive system at the same time, and that's a complex thing. But but key tone asters give the cell the ability to improve. 80 p. N a d Up regulates, sir. Jeans up, regulate T regs cells, which are immune cells and decrease inflammatory own activity in the cell. And those are all out of terms. But what it comes down to, just what we sat, it blends the cell, make good decisions to be more efficient and how it's going to handle. Um, this this viral, Uh, yeah, this viral, uh, infestation. And

spk_1:   46:58
thats almost sounds like it's not on Lee a preventive thing. It could potentially be a treatment thing for all levels of severity.

spk_0:   47:08
So So that's what we're trying to institute right now in certain studies that we're trying to do in nursing homes and where where you've got elderly people that are already compromised, don't have immune systems and are already in a state where they're sick. Wow. And just think about that. We you know, not only so so number one. You know, when people are ill, how's their nutrition? It's horrible. So so here we have a source of nutrition that you make up for what they're not capable of doing, but also giving that sell that decision of Hey, how do I handle this inflammatory state I'm already in and and it can do that and that that's my That's my belief. And that's a lot of leading, very brilliant people that have done all some of the original research in key tone asters and their ability to change what we call Redox in a cell. And that's all about controlling information. So a lot of theory lead on. This is all about controlling information. So what a serious a serious no Redox Redox just means controlling acid base activities. I sell or ph in a cell. And, um, and it's It's where you always you hear these terms used, like free radicals and oxidants states in an oxidative state? Well, controlling the oxidative state of a cell is all about what we call Redox. And that's exactly what all of the science behind Keystone Esther's has has gone very deep into looking at that improvement in Redox, controlling Redox in a self. That's how I look at things. So that's my I go to that level because That's what makes sense to man looking at half ways and improvement in those pathways. And it always comes down to that aspect of controlling the Redox of the cell. That's that's the essence. If you can't control Redox, everything goes back.

spk_1:   49:19
You'll have to keep me updated on whether or not you get those studies passed through, because it sounds like the Q tone esters are mostly like the only people who know about this. I only know about this. Do you know I still don't hard to this conversation? I didn't really understand it. It it sounds like Norman saying for like like athletes and very, very after folks rather than the normal people that have desk jobs.

spk_0:   49:45
Yeah, well, that's where it started and over that that's where we used it. And that's where it got its fame in the Tour de France type of things. And but we've I can tell you, Karen right now, I mean, you know that I am involved with, um, thousands of doctors, uh, all over the U. S. And outside of the US right now, in working with different schemes and aspects of how we can modulate the immune system, and help people. And we've utilized. I've worked with, I've got I've got firsthand information of people that have had the virus that have been contemplating going to the emergency room because they're losing oxygenation. They're actually in compromise. Um, and they've because of the situation of getting to the ER and all of those issues. They had key tone. Esther's there. These were just people that have been connected into this and understand it. And we have those cases of where they use them. And we have videos actually of this, and that's kind of what we've put together into this, uh, into the studies, conceptual part of it. But we've turned people around, so I know this works, but I mean, it's like everything we're discussing today. I know it all works because I've used it in other ways with other disease processes, and this is the key for everyone, understand?

spk_1:   51:26
And it goes beyond just an anecdotal thing, which is what I'm seeing right now. All of the Internet is all these people recommending all these different things, and they all are are fairly anecdotal. This is done with the patients that trust you with the people that are already under your care, and and you've seen firsthand the results. So while that may be construed as anecdotal, I think it's it when you have someone to go from symptoms to know. Sometimes it's it's a fricking win. Well,

spk_0:   51:58
I think I think it says a lot If you know every doctor that you have worked with and instructed and you pass a message to. If you know they're doing all of this to themselves and their loved ones, that's a pretty strong statement of their of their not just their belief, but they're experiencing and using these type of things, Uh, and and maybe to some degree there hope also that they're having some control in what they're doing to make this better.

spk_1:   52:28
I know people watching it going to ask, um, and I before before they ask, You know, we're going to get this. Are their quality levels of key to Nestor's? Ours are things that they should be worried about, because if you google it, there's Aton of options. Like what? What did they look for? Um, without saying the brand name like what do you look for in the quality If if there is any

spk_0:   52:49
Well, you're gonna you're gonna really look at. I mean, there's really only two. The key tone. Esther's. There's a lot of key tone salts around, but keep tone Esther's or something that are something you can use multiple times a day. The key tones salt to something you can take maybe once and because of the salt load. Um, and that's that. That has some significance. But even the key to insult can be useful to. I don't want to downplay that anything's better than nothing but the utilization of the key tone. It, um, the key tone. Esther is something that you can take like every 3 to 4 hours during the day to keep that to keep you in what we call nutritional ketosis, as opposed to being in a ketogenic diet and being which which I don't think is the best thing. And that has a lot to do about a lot of things. I think nutritional ketosis is the ideal thing, because then your body has lots of things to choose from again, like a set. Metabolic flexibility is forest fuel. What this ketosis is, that is something that you can control and you don't need a lot of that happen. And so we typically will utilize about Tanna Mels a day in males and females about five m Els, where we can make differences off up one million mole off key tones. That and one million mole is typically all you need if you are familiar with all the studies and what we what we've been able to do to up regulate the cell for other reasons that is effective.

spk_1:   54:29
That goes a long way, is what you're saying.

spk_0:   54:31
A little bit goes a long way. The

spk_1:   54:33
1,000,000 will let the super cute word I like that. I know it sounds small. Anything Millie is right.

spk_0:   54:42
Care in there all terms, and I'm sure I'm sure I'll miss

spk_1:   54:49
Well. I'm so glad that we spent time on the key to Nestor's because that is lesser known. Um, and as you know, you're recommending the both for preventative. And if you have any experience instance, symptoms of every severity real quick. And by the way, folks, if we are going to put together his entire list on my notes here, we only have time to go through one or two more. But there's a list of 16 plus 54 more that Doc Seeds is doing some research on privately on his own. We will be producing that list out, along with supplements that he recommends you. Do you do to up regulate your immune system, but the one that I definitely want to touch upon Is this this word that I can't pronounce very well and I have to spell it out for me. The rapid bias. Um, am I saying that right?

spk_0:   55:37
So that's the rapid mice and is ah, is it is a drug. It is a It's an immune. It's immuno suppressant that people are most familiar with in transplant patients. Um, and it is something that has given it gives the ability of transplant patients to not create an immune response against the transplant that's been put in their body because it comes from someone else. So that's the concept. Well, we know that in studying this rapid bison, that this is in low doses, has a totally different effect, um, on the body, and it's the little complex, but what it can do, and it's already been studied in the We have human studies that have been done in elderly people to show that it can up regulate the immune system to some degree and in particular, what rapid myson does or we utilize, typically like something called Cyril Loomis. It's a rapid myson derivative when you utilize this yet actually has viral or pathogen associate ID t cell function meaning, and that's what makes us a little a little different and in interesting because it has the potential. And it does in up regulating a specific type of T cell on immune cell that goes after pathogens like viruses and bacteria. Yes, the T cell is an immune cell, and this in particular this immune cell it's it's called a CD eight plus T cell. Um, sorry about that. I promised you I wouldn't credibly too many words in here.

spk_1:   57:40
No, no, no, please go. And it's

spk_0:   57:44
a It's a killer lymphocyte cell, basically, that goes to kill pathogens on DSO. So if you if you appreciate the fact that is, we get older and are immune function. We are finest gland that produces immune cells. It imagine eights and it becomes dysfunctional and that we have way have peripheral what we call peripheral production of T cells. That becomes diminished. So we only have a certain population of T cells we can work with, um, to some degree. And so what this does is this up regulates the production of progenitor T cells to become these type of cells. So So it turns that system on for older people who are deficient. So it gives them and a leg up on being prepared for infection and that that's ah, that's something that we need to look at because this would This is something that we're utilizing already for that purpose for immune disease. Were using that to some degree, uh, and for other issues in in helping people with cells. In essence, because what it does is rapid mice and what what it does is turn off a certain part of what's called M tour. And this M tour is something that, um if we can turn it off, it can set the stages of the ability of the cell to do a better job at cleaning itself up and also being more prepared and being more efficient in trying to handle aspects like what happened with infection like that. So that's a synopsis of something that is definitely more significant when it gets down to the cell cellular level on what happens. But that's a pretty good idea of, of understanding the power of what it can do.

spk_1:   59:56
God, it's a revelation. Is a pharmaceutical drug? It's on a peptide. Is that correct?

spk_0:   1:0:01
It's a pharmaceutical drug that is earned that could be repurposed for this. For this, uh, I got this utilization again. What it's doing is it's it's just up. Regulating a particular cell that can respond to the virus called the

spk_1:   1:0:18
Pathogens is that you called it

spk_0:   1:0:21
pretty much that's that. It kind of. It's interesting how it has that specificity in working with all the immune cells. That in particular is the one it up regulates this CD eight t sell It makes the androgen presenting to the sell better, and it turns this cell on so we can come after the pathogen. It and so there been studies that have looked at that that have looked at that and elderly people in decreasing infection, and they've shown that that it has that potential to do that. So this is a significant information that I think that people need to be aware of that. Absolutely. And it also up regulates the T rex cells, which are regulatory cells that that are decision makers and how the immune system can be functional and work for you. And that's a really important point that also key tone esters, we believe, have that paramount part of improving to red cells to and it always As we go through this, you're gonna always hear me talk about T regs cells because they're the key to their, like the master of the immune system and keeping it under control. That's why they're called. It's like a T regulatory, So

spk_1:   1:1:46
that's a big one. I'm gonna remember it as a T rex L because it's a big one, a little silly. But there's, you know, like I mentioned, we have ah, giant list that we didn't get to. Today we will try to get to it on another day, but just to listen out for you. You know, Doc, saves recommends of At least on this list, there will be more. Like I said, there's 54 more that he's doing research on without telling anybody. Ah, vitamin D d d h b um ta one which is times an awful one. Ta ah t before What's hot, doc is that I'm just before before that one GH k c You also for type R, bro Sis, the s protein. Ah, a r Bs l l three sip. It sounds like I'm speaking another language right at this point, but we will define it Azaz in the notes in this video when you get to it. So don't worry about that. But also state, uh, keep make sure that you join this website right over here. The seed start m d link right there So that you could join the news on our list, cause as soon as that checklist is on, everyone is gonna get it, and it's gonna cost you 1000 bucks to get it. But we're gonna get it for you for free. If you sign it right now that we're talking cost anything. No Doxy wants this education out in the world, and we're gonna make sure that you have it. I want to end with one last thing. Um, after that baking soda article that you, bro, went, uh, it exploded quite a bit. We got some crazy reception from it not only you but myself as well. And the biggest critique that I have on it that will for host world. There's so many people that are like Oh, my gosh just makes so much sense. But then you get the very few you know folks that are going to be a little hesitant about this. I think I'm nuts to be taken baking soda and forcing my family and loved ones to do it. But I would love to kind of hear, like, just just a synopsis of that. I mean, you can of course, I think the article out, But any any reaction to the people that say like this is crazy to be taking baking soda. It's something that you leave in your fridge to take away smells.

spk_0:   1:3:53
Yeah, I know. It's so it's It's awfully, uh, it's up to, uh, but then again, it's direct to mechanisms that I the that that I understand. And that I felt let me let me just let's just go through it. How did I get to this point of making that darn video it? Put it out? Will it happen because you know I have all of you and my people prepared for this. And you guys all become ambassadors, and you become these people of knowledge. And you like helping other people. It's just interesting how you guys start. It's like you. You start a group and it just grows and grows and grows. And and so I I got a response. It started Ah, weeks ago. I got, um when it started hitting here in the US that somebody would come back. But quick scenario is, it was a friend of somebody who had already been immune, regulated and and said, Doc, I got a friend. It's very close to me. And what do I do? What's happening? Um, they don't have Ta wan. They don't have any of these things. Is there anything kids? Eight. Should we give him ibuprofen? What should we do? I go. Do you have any baking? Do they have any baking soda in the pantry or anything? Like that guy sends me back a message, like in 30 seconds. You know, actually, yeah. And I said how to do this. I said haven't take half a teaspoon. Um, I wanted to load the body really quickly. Uh, this patient was having fever, um, cough, not productive and body aches. So, uh, not in any respiratory distress distress at that point, but definitely ill and very concerned and scared. And I said, Just do Let's do this right now. Why? We're trying to figure out what what this person wants to do because they were didn't want to go to the emergency room. I mean, it was a battle, so I just said, Hey, just do this. Within 24 hours, I got a message back like, Doc, this, uh, this patients feeling better, This person's feeling better and I said, Great, let's keep it going. And 48 hours almost resolved 72 hours back to normal. And we kept We kept that person going. Well, I got a bunch. That was that. That was not my first message. I got like that. I started getting messages from other people like that. Hate. I got this person. What can we do? I said, We'll try this because I think this has potential after you hear that from, like the sixth or seventh person, it's in my head. I I was talking to my wife, kind of like, Oh my gosh, Honey, I go. This makes so much sense to me. I know we need to get this just just something. It's more than just a message. It's empowerment. We This is a time of uncertainty. This is a time where people are anxious. This is this is something that everybody can do, and there's really a minimal downside to it. But such a big upside, and we're giving people power to potentially help themselves. So what I realized with this and what I was thinking in my head is that I, you know, I knew about the viral infection and how it needed an acidic environment. And I thought, Well, you know, the baking soda? Absolutely. I know how we use it sports. And it's all about acid base problems and cells and and what we do to make it half we perform better. Well, we know we can do that with baking soda. I mean, the dad is there. The research is there, and it's even getting better. We use better things in baking soda now, but it's where we started, and actually we made all the mistakes with baking soda to where I can tell you great, funny stories, but we didn't appreciate how you had to load the body with smaller doses. Um, anyways, point being is it made sense to me why this would work on potentially give someone a step up, because I also looked at it as in the United States. Um, if if you if you want to look at it, we can really validate the fact that most people, because of their choice and nutrition and how they live, they are in a net acidic state. And what I mean, that by that I don't mean that the body hasn't that they're that they're not. The body hasn't compensated for that. Uh, what I mean is, if you eat more protein than vegetables, let's say if they're not balanced, which it's very hard for people that it is a lot of vegetables to balance their protein is a large amount of this. The states are more protein than not on and process me things like that. All I'm trying to get at is meat is acidic vegetables or al kalinic and the body. Its job is to keep that neutral. So if they're not, if they're protein high and vegetable lo, there is a net acidic load. Well, the kid he knows how to deal with that kidney will take what's called glutamine from muscle, and it will make it into ammonia and excreted out the urine. And it'll it'll buffer. It'll change that pH, too be equal, liberate and into an equilibrium. But the Net essences, the acid load is increased, and a new set point has been set so that acid load is riel. And that's what leads to more over time as we age as we get older as we as our diet gets worse, we're increasing that acid load and the kidneys working harder. It's stealing more glutamine or other amino acids like essential amino acids, or it's feeling alkali from the bone. And we're losing minerals. So this is why we get osteoporosis. This is why we get circle Pini. A. White people lose muscle mass as they get older. What happens when you get sick? You lose muscle mass. It's all the same thing, and we know we have the studies to show just with little changes in that net acid increase, we lose nitrogen in our urine, and what that means is that nitrogen it's a net negative balance of nitrogen. It means that you're stealing amino acids from muscle, and that means you're losing muscle. Those air riel things. Well, guess what? I can stop that with bicarb, just with biker

spk_1:   1:11:10
by pregnant, like baking soda.

spk_0:   1:11:12
Yes, I can stop that. I can stop that body, the body for making that decision because it doesn't have to go through those steps

spk_1:   1:11:23
and feel I mean us

spk_0:   1:11:24
a few little. I can make osteopenia better with bicarb. It's just the beginning. I'm It's a short term solution because you're I know what has to be done, and that's correcting everything above that, right? It's making it so the body doesn't have to make those decisions. So it gives you a great starting point, um, to utilize bicarbonate. And And if you're in my world, we already know that we can use bicarbonate in immune diseases that could be significantly helpful. We can use it in an autism, and we can We can help in autism, so there's a lot of ways that bicarb is being utilized now in different aspects. But it's a real player, and and the research now I didn't even get into all the aspects of looking at bicarbonate and how we can validate other pathways in what my carbonate is done on the research side of improving the immune system. And there spend some fascinating things that have been coming out just recently up just looking at the macro Feige itself and how macrophage does better in, uh, how an acidic, uh, environment or acid changes can change. Uh, the use of a macro fit Feige at how, by carbon, it can change that. And that's an immune cell, so I could get into great discussions with this. Michael

spk_1:   1:13:02
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spk_0:   1:13:05
Yes, a matter faces that a macro face is very important because it goes after viruses. It's a pathogen is one of the first responders, just like a neutral feel, like it z one of the first responders, and it's and it's an anti gin. Uh uh. It's an androgen presenting cell also, so it's got a lot of uses, and it creates a lot of problems when it doesn't go right because it makes a lot of those. It is part of that. It could be part of that side of kind storm, also with neutrophils, so there's lots of things that can happen with macrophages, but in particular this is some fascinating work that's being done. Uh, looking at the macro fish and buy carbon, um, anything. And like I said that that was just something that quickly went through my brain in, uh when they brought this up, and I just it just kind of went boom. And I thought, Oh, let's try this because I think it could work cause I know what it does in athletes. Him make this. It's all again. What was my focus? Well, it's about efficiency, and I just kind of assumed. And I know I didn't have to assume this patient was older, um, and was so had other co mobility. So things just made sense that this was the environment that, hey, this had the potential to be useful. And so since then it's It's been insane with the messaging and the doctors and all the people that have gotten back to me and telling me, Hey, doctor sees this was this was a great This is something I could do with my. In fact, there's a great story. I had an interest in L. A. Who's very bright doc and very well known. Um, who was battling me against this and giving me some some backlash of, like, how could you? How could you do that and go out and say something like that with your reputation and what you do? And I said to this person, I said, Well, this has to do about Let's let's go with the pathways and let me spend the time to discuss this with you and and maybe you'll appreciate that. And this was one of those people that have helped with with peptides in one of my students. And I said, This is this is gonna make sense. Well, I didn't get that initial by in that. I thought I would, Um, But what was interesting is the doctor came back at me like within it within, like, three days saying, Okay, I don't know if that timing was right, but that discussion was meant to be because my in laws both came down with this problem and I was scared. I didn't want them going right to the ER because I knew that it could be worse. You know, I'm thinking as a care provider. Um, I had no peptides for them. I had nothing. And then I thought, Oh, my God, I just had this discussion with Bill C. It's well, here goes nothing. He did the bicarb on both of his in laws and same story, 24 to 48 hours turned him around 72 hours better. And he sent me back this message, um, telling me Hey, Bill, I just want you to know I'm on bike. Her my office staff is on by car and all my patients Right now I'm implementing bicarbonate because And he told me this story and I was like, Wow, that's that's powerful

spk_1:   1:16:44
eso it's You have a way of doing this to people. We release a video while ago where you don't You don't necessarily tell them like this is what you have to do. This is the first time you've done that. You kind of let people figure it out on their own. You let people figure out peptides on there before everyone you a pet ties were You're already ahead of the game there. Um, this is the only time when you were like you guys need to do this. Everyone needs to do this and the reason being the education piece, right? It's just he's not trying to be the first person to tell you to use bicarb or baking said it. He's trying to make you feel better and not go to the ER and make it worse. So it's not gonna hurt. Definitely the the side effects we mentioned in the article, uh, you know, got gastro inter inter external

spk_0:   1:17:37
gastritis or right at you and diarrhea. Those those are very, very. If you follow the loading dose ng, I think you'll totally stay away from that. I made all these mistakes before with our athletes and using higher doses, and that's how we actually we went back and looked at the, um, and there's all kinds of micro dozing schemes we use now in sports that are much more sophisticated. But that's beyond this. But we went back and looked at the original armor hammer up recommendations in 1918 and those people had it right. They knew what they were talking because they said, Just use 1/2 teaspoon and I'm looking at this going to these people. Maybe they knew what they were tight. They were making medical recommendations. Actually, at the time you got trouble for I'm. But you know what, Karen? They knew how to use it.

spk_1:   1:18:32
That in 1918

spk_0:   1:18:34
in 1980.

spk_1:   1:18:36
My God, that's over a century ago.

spk_0:   1:18:39
It Well, I don't know. I know Andre now. Yeah, but you know what's interesting? And this is where you get into trouble with other dots and sale. It's all anecdotal, and all this has been disproven. And and then I'm willing to have all those discussions with everybody, because now we can go right to the cell, and I can spend as much time as you want Teoh give you to give you the compelling story of why it works. But, um, but there are all kinds of papers written by doctors over the over the century last century about utilizing baking soda to treat common colds and flu. You know, flu, colds, viruses and infections and and even more. And and you know that those air those air their case studies rich you are. The sciences isn't, uh isn't solid. What? But you can't. You can't. You gotta pay attention to that. To some degree, I believe.

spk_1:   1:19:46
I think the science is solid. It's your you're not talking about. You know, like my you know what we Koreans did for to cure everything was our moms would give us seven up if he had stomach ache. Drink seven up. That's anecdotal because it's not based on science. This is literally a molecule that does something to other molecules, and therefore it is. It s so I I would disagree with you on that, but I think it's absolutely scientific. And, um, the fact that it is in someone's refrigerator is what makes it seem a little hokey. Maybe, but it's it works, and I take making sort of diet. My entire family takes baking soda nail, and it's going to be the case until this. Until we ride this out.

spk_0:   1:20:32
Well, you'd be. I think I would if I could give other I thoughts of where this goes. It would I think it would be mind boggling, but I think it's I just think it was, um, I want to say it was master plan, but it really was. It was just something off the cuff where somebody asked, and I just I said, Let's give this a go because I think I know how it could be helpful and and it's led me to this, and I can't tell you how humbling and how amazing it's felt for me. Even though I got it, I got initially I got, I didn't get a lot of I got beaten up a little bit at the beginning. But when you when you see these successes, um, hey, if I've if I've helped that many people Holy smokes, something's happening.

spk_1:   1:21:22
Yeah, absolutely has, Ah, we'll talk. Thank you so much for this in depth conversation about our immune system and up regulating this. We learned so many fantastic medical terms today, so thank you for in that lesson on, and we're gonna do this again. We like. I said, Sign up on seats up MD That is the Ural. It's not dot com. It's a dot MD your role. Sign up for his newsletter, It's notes written directly from the dock himself, and we will do more of these videos and ensure that, um, not only do you know what's happening, what's what's the latest and greatest in anti aging of general medicine, but also some of the research in science that goes behind it. And Wide doctor sees is so jazzed about it. So thank you so much. Stock. This was fantastic. And I'm sorry we went over and we took so much of your time. Appreciate it.

spk_0:   1:22:12
Yeah, Karen, I didn't. So you said something I wasn't. Where it So you're Korean? Korean? No. I thought you were American.

spk_1:   1:22:22
I create American.

spk_0:   1:22:24
I'm just kidding. Being bad.

spk_1:   1:22:33
Well, again. Thank you. Certain rights for taking the time I know it's late over there on the East Coast are really appreciate it. We'll be back again. Have everyone everyone. Thank you.