Sex, Drugs, and Epigenome

Episode 2 - Up Regulation, Collagen, and Coffee!

April 24, 2020 Willam A. Seeds, MD Season 1 Episode 2
Sex, Drugs, and Epigenome
Episode 2 - Up Regulation, Collagen, and Coffee!
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Sex, Drugs, and Epigenome
Episode 2 - Up Regulation, Collagen, and Coffee!
Apr 24, 2020 Season 1 Episode 2
Willam A. Seeds, MD

You know your immune system is your body's first defensive responder, but there is so much more to it!

In this episode we start by debunking the myths behind your immune system, answering the top questions with responses from Dr. Seeds that make him who is -- out of the box thinker and practitioner of medicine. 

Collagen is widely used and understood in beauty products but there is still so much to know! 

How much is too much coffee? Here's what Dr. Seeds says and, his own version of coffee packed with supplements to get you through the day with the utmost efficiency.

Show Notes Transcript

You know your immune system is your body's first defensive responder, but there is so much more to it!

In this episode we start by debunking the myths behind your immune system, answering the top questions with responses from Dr. Seeds that make him who is -- out of the box thinker and practitioner of medicine. 

Collagen is widely used and understood in beauty products but there is still so much to know! 

How much is too much coffee? Here's what Dr. Seeds says and, his own version of coffee packed with supplements to get you through the day with the utmost efficiency.

Keren:   0:00
Welcome to Sex Drugs and Epigenetics!We are. We have a jam packed episode today. Ah, and we're gonna try to get through all of these topics. Um, Aziz, close to layman's terms as possible. Right. So the point of this podcast is not, you know, to talk about sex, and in that way, more more on the science, eu, no gender sex. We do talk about drugs, but not the big form of pharmaceutical drugs, but other kinds of compounds and things that you can get but you probably haven't heard of, um, we're going to go through those things. And, of course, EPA genetics we're going to define I have doctor sees. Define that for you. We're gonna have him talk about the importance of it and how you can actually influence and have control over the way that you age, which is powerful, powerful stuff. But that is actually a topic for another day. We've touched upon some of the stuff today, but I do want to focus today's episode if you don't mind Doc on the top health questions that are going buzzing around. But due to the fact that we're dealing with this Corona virus challenge, so that's what we gonna start. And that's what today's episode is focused on on. So I would like to ask you these. I've compiled the top three f accuse that I've pulling all over the Web specifically about the immune system, and I want to focus on the immune system because we're also going to have you debunk some of these misnomers and myths around the immune system coming up. But before we do that, I want to get the answers. The biggest answers that people have that I haven't found a good answer for on the Web. I would love to put you in the hot seat on that. All right, so let's start with the first question by the top help question regarding our immune system. And that is how do you know if you have a good immune system? That's a fantastic question. 

spk_0:   2:11
Well, I would tell you that the there are a couple ways you can figure out if you have a good a good immune system in and again, it all goes back to immunity has everything to do with cell efficiency. If the salads fish is functioning in an efficient manner and optimized you to its fullest meaning, it's it's in a home in a static place there. It's not too much of something not too less of something. It's just

spk_1:   2:47
is that little metastatic means suck like

spk_0:   2:49
I'm holding Yeah, home your Stasis. Just think of it is a sea salt, and you want that seesaw right in the middle and the if this cell is in that state than we can make the assumptions that are pretty solid based on on science, that the immune system is also functioning in the same manner because the immune system depends on the ability on what we call metabolic flexibility in utilizing substrates for energy just like cells and substrates. Just be food for the immune cell, which is glucose or fatty acids or proteins, but it all comes down to just those basics up. Where is the cell? As far as efficient and you can. I think they're typical things in the day that you could just look back on. Um, number one. Are you? Do you feel what do you get Enough sleep. Do you feel tired when you get up? Do you feel run down? Do you feel you feel like you just never catch up? And that's secondary to, you know, sleep habits which have a tremendous amount to do with fell efficiency. Um, do you feel you know, during the day do you feel like, uh, you run out of energy or you get brain fog or you get you just can't concentrate? I mean, just just those little things. And, uh uh, and it could be the same thing with your gut. Your you know, Are you having problems with bowel issues? Are we know any time you have inflammatory issues of the stomach and bow, um, that you we call dis Biosystems where just the guts not It's not performing correctly. Ah, in a snoring nutrients and utilizing nutrients and and how it functions in, um with the microbiota in the vow. So if they're not all working together, you're going to have issues with that. And and that is just again another function off cell efficiency and more importantly, the immune system. So So there's some very simple things like that or or just being out of breath, you know, which is that an indication of your aerobic capacity? The ability of you to utilize oxygen, take that oxygen from the red blood cell and disperse it to a cell where the cell uses that oxygen to its best capability? Well, that has to do with efficiency. So exercise is so important in improving the ability of your cell to utilize oxygen

spk_1:   5:49
before we get into the improvements, cause that is gonna be a big topic for us. I want to stick to like, the This question is a good one. And I think what is powerful, that what you're saying is, when you know you have a good immune system, you just feel good. You don't feel tired. You feel like you don't run out of energy. You feel like you know you have a healthy guts, right? You're Ebel's exercise for an extended period of time. We know not being out of breath going upstairs. You know, just where you out and, you know, give you give you some winding issues. Is that like an easier way to kind of understand. This is if you're if you're if you could have the good immunised some. You were feeling good.

spk_0:   6:31
Absolutely. And the brain, you know, concentrations easier. Um, lose losing train of thought is not a good thing, you know, it's all the things it has to do. Immune has to do with everything. Basically, the immune system has to do with it is your It is absolutely, really related to the barometer of your body of how you feel. If you're not feeling good, I'm gonna tell you your immune system isn't feeling good either.

spk_1:   7:02
That makes sense, because if you're sick or you're not feeling good like your super tired, I'm getting over some kind of sickness or flu or, let's say, a Corona virus. It's probably gonna be hard, difficult toe shape.

spk_0:   7:14
Absolutely. And it makes sense. It's how people it's how people can relate. And it's how you know, if you're feeling if you're not good at handling stress, uh, we all know that stress affects the immune system also. So so those Those are things that are defectors off the immune system, and I know you didn't want to get into this. But you know, I'm gonna I've got every I have to take advantage of our of our, uh, of the podcast show name, sex, drugs and EPA genetics. But this has everything to do with that genetics because we're talking about forces, environmental forces or stressors that change the EPA genome or the genome that effect the fina type of the cell that effects the immune system. It's that's it. And I know that sounded kind of a little up there, but it's it's exactly what is happening with our lives.

spk_1:   8:19
So the EPA genetics that that is pertaining to the show is really the ability to up regulate the immune system and that will determine how well you live and how healthy live throughout the rest of your life. It's about the immune system is that is a correct kind of translation of of your very scientific way of putting it.

spk_0:   8:43
It's how the immune system it's it's the immune system is, and how it function is directly correlated to the EPA genome of your body and everything we will be talking about Karen. I will try to draw into as we move through every topic we talk about today what we talked about before and moving forward. This is all about, um, the EPA genome and how it changes the immune system for good or bad. And And we could talk about that with everything. We Doctor,

spk_1:   9:20
that is awesome. I love that. And we're ITT's. You'll see a recurring theme here, which is always good to have in a recurring podcast show. Uh, well, that's good regarding the immune system. I just want to bring this back. One more, one more. My question. Actually, I've heard, you know, it's interesting that you mention the gut health because I've often heard that the gut is like your second brain. And I can almost see you making a similar metaphor here about the immune system not being the second brand, but the immune system being kind of the foundation that this this almost might come before the brain. Maybe I'm going too far with that.

spk_0:   10:01
Well, one can affect the other easily, and but it all I think it does. And I think we will find, uh, and we are finding and in the literature presently and continue to see it moving forward that it made it definitely can potentially start in the gut where things could go wrong and because the immune system is so tightly wound with the intestines. Um, because we have we have areas of where immune cells congregate along about and and how the cell signal how signaling changes that occur when, when changes go wrong in the gut have everything to do with with immune cell changes that affect the rest of the body breaking the heart. It's just like the Corona virus we know the Corona virus does actually does work in the gut, and it works in the heart, and it works in the brain. It's because of the immune. It's the immune issues that really are related to that. So

spk_1:   11:11
I am

spk_0:   11:12
Absolutely, You're absolutely right. With that,

spk_1:   11:14
I have covered another stupid question. Is there a location in the body where the immune system is located, or is it everywhere? And is that why it it is such a big deal?

spk_0:   11:27
Sure. Well, so you have immune. So you have the time, miss, that. That is the time missed as you grow as you, uh develop is what produces your your immune cells. Okay, Your T cells doubles. Yeah, and it's what it is initially. What produces those those type of cells in Congress? It Incan grunts with the the bone, the bone cells that are the human poetic cells that, specifically certain lineages off stem cells also create some of these T cells and B cells, the's and macrophages and all of these things. So they're part of the immune system to. And then you have the spleen, which is another area where you have have part of some of the immune system that that congregates like your Mac, horrific and so forth. And then you have all these limp. You have these lift nodes everywhere, where where T cells and these B cells can congregate all over the body. So so they're reservoirs of stem cells are reservoirs of immune cells everywhere in the body, and and then there and there. The interesting thing is that these cells can. They're bigots, signaling and that drawing in more immune cells. And that's the way people should think. There's like little stations everywhere in the body. There's bigger ones and others, but they can call on Maurin immune cells to come in wherever into the brain into the God. But they're Maurin the guy, Um And you have them again. I say seven spleen. But the fineness is where we develop our our basically, where we we have the development of our our immune

spk_1:   13:29
system. That makes little sense. Now I get the whole, like issue and draw with the thyroids. Now, that was a big, big thing when when Oprah started talking about her thyroid issues and it gave her, like so meant so much chronic. This and that, Um, and

spk_0:   13:46
joining the thyroid is a little different from the fine us. Oh, no. Yeah. Did I say that right? Did I say thank you? I says,

spk_1:   13:55
I ride high Parrot.

spk_0:   13:57
That's okay. That's what So people, that that's a common That's not This is why this show is fantastic because you're asking all the questions that I that you know goeth over my head that I don't think about where people will say the same thing, though. Mix up thyroid or parathyroid with kindness and the time this is just another gland close to the thyroid. It's just and it's there. It develops Aziz, we get older. And then that's one of the reasons that. You know, that's one of the big reasons we call it fine Nick, Evolution and aging. Um, that effects that time is where it stops growing and it stops producing in particular, like T cells and B cells. And that is what where the arguments are about how, as we get older, our immune system becomes weaker because we're not making new cells like that. And so that's where it comes, where these theories come into play, um, about utilising certain, uh, molecules or hormones or peptides to restart the finest, to reactivate it, to produce more, Uh uh, T cells and B cell. So

spk_1:   15:22
as you get older, not only do you have the symptoms of aging, but also you produce less T cells. That also happens naturally, as as we age. And so the peptide therapy Sefa is going to help that reproduction, is that correct?

spk_0:   15:43
Yeah, and there's been actually, there been some, yes, that the the whole premise behind certain peptides, which are are like fine R thymus unfamous diamos in peptides, are based on that premise of improving the potential progenitor aspect of the finest meaning it can start to produce again. Um, immune cells, but also to help the immune cells that you have function better too.

spk_1:   16:18
Ah, makes total sense, because you I I am on time. It's an Alfa one, thanks to Doc Seeds. Yes, that's a really good. And Karen,

spk_0:   16:28
Right? So your doctor, your doctor's gonna ask you a question. Are you ready?

spk_1:   16:32
I'm ready.

spk_0:   16:33
Why are you a time? It's an

spk_1:   16:35
Alfa one for my immunity to strengthen my immune system.

spk_0:   16:41
Well, is it to strengthen it? So here we get into this is good, because what, are we boosting? Strengthening, or are we just making it work better?

spk_1:   16:53
So, after hearing this time, Miss being the creator of T Cells, I am now going to surmise that thymus an Alfa one, helps the time miss to produce more and improve my existing cells to do better.

spk_0:   17:13
Yes. Yes, it's not. Oh, so yeah, and it's gonna get into that myth about boost immune boosting man. Were were really just making the immune system worked like it's supposed to write because that's what the thymus is supposed to do. It's supposed to make new cells, so we have fresh new cells that are in the body that can function, and it's also spoke. It also works at working on making these immune cells better modulators meeting. They can determine how they're going to work better against what the environment is throwing at that immune cell, and that's that comes back to that about flexibility of the cell, how efficient that immune cell is. So it all plays together. But it's so important for people to understand that concept that when people talk about a moon immune boosting, that's Ah, that's not a true statement and and this is where we may get, so we make it a little favorable. I had a head tilt from the M E and maybe in veterans, diseased guys. We're like, Yeah, what? You're right. It's all about making the immune system more efficient and function to where it is. It works more intelligently, but we're not boosting anything because because you don't want to boot. If you boost one part of the immune system, you're actually creating problems because again the immune system is meant toe work like that seesaw. It is meant to be humming along and know how to do a little bit of something for depending on, you know, it's all about. I'm not gonna get you detail, but it's about the innate and the adaptive immune system one is based on on hitting the, uh, if the environment is rapidly changing with a virus or a bacteria. That's the innate system that coming to do its job. And then it sets up the story for getting the adaptive immune system to come in later to kind of clean house with everything. And so they both work together. But if you push one system more than the other, you're in trouble. And that's where people get into trouble. Thinking about, um, it's I guess we could take it to this step of where people might understand this a little better and you could stop me if you want. It's it's this Corona virus where they're hearing Hey, don't take non steroidals. Don't take non steroidals Um, insane is because because what you're doing is you're affecting an end, Say basically is is going to effect that innate immune systems ability at the very beginning when that bias So so if you're taking non steroidals anti inflammatories like ibuprofen so forth, you're taking those prophylactically or right at the beginning when you get a fever something. What you're doing is you're turning off that innate immune system, which is so important right away that you need because that's attacking the path, a church that's working right away. You don't want to dampen that. And the and this is where the cell is intelligent. It knows what to turn on and what to turn off. And not to say that anti inflammatories can't be effective. It's just you gotta know when to use them. And that has that has the same thing to do with, um, exercise when people are trying to build muscle or build repair muscle after workouts. Um, end states are the wrong thing to be taking at that time because you're stopping a repair system that's needed initially. So there's a lot to this and it's all about its timing and but understanding balance that was that. Was that a good correlation?

spk_1:   21:24
Totally know. You brought it full circle and I I wanna pick point, pick apart some of the key things that I heard and really emphasize it. The importance of it, it's that it is a balance. You mentioned that I totally get that. But You also said that the immune system is adaptive and it goes into play with behaviour going to kill the immune system's ability to adapt to a new pathogen. Then you're killing the ability for it to be efficient and do its job. So some of these, you know, like, um, ibuprofen is it made? Give you immediately relief, but you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot for later.

spk_0:   22:03
You are because because you're doing a couple of things. Number one, you're stopping. So that innate immune system is number one revving up to come in and attack that virus right away. But it's also sending messages to the adaptive immune system to build antibodies to come back at it later. So you lose both sides of the equation when you turn that man. And this is how incredible the immune system is in in handling, um uh in the environment. And this is where I just get so you know, this this Corona Viruses has really woke people to understanding that maybe this health component is more significant than I thought. And I know we're all focused on vaccinations and hey everybody, the world's waiting for a vaccination I'd like to convince everybody in the world How about working on your immune system first? And how about being ready for any? How about that? How about How about if I told you you worked on your immune system? And guess what else it will help you with. It will help you with your diabetes and will help you with your hypertension. It will help you with your neurodegenerative problems. It will help you with your gut problems. It will help you with your training. What if I told you that uh, it will help you with your osteoporosis? It will help you whether Sarko pina is a vaccination gonna do that? Hell no. This is it is This is just to me. It is. I think if we could change big nation in the world to focus on this, we will be the healthiest planet we could have ever imagined. And and this is our opportunity to do it. This is our opportunity to take advantage of all those hardworking people out there that are trying to convince you that diet matters exercised mappers, um, and sleep matters and stress matters. All of these things are important. So thanks for Let me get on a soapbox here.

spk_1:   24:16
No, I love that. And it's again parable messages because you just don't hear this stuff, right? Everyone, all what you're hearing right now on the media is is the race for a vaccination, you know, their their inhuman, cute clinical trials. You know, it's almost almost there. But I mean, just to get a flu shot, I have to sign a death waiver like that. That's kind of scary, right? It's like I'm a little worried about stuff like that. So I just stopped getting flu shots altogether. And that's a powerful message that you're saying. Is he instead of just slightly rethink the way that you're coming out? This problem, it's it's focused on you. And don't go after the shortcut that everyone is going after because there will be another disease, whether it's a pandemic on the scale of this or not. But there will be other flues. I read that there was like a new kind of flu every single season. It's just be prepared for that. I think that super powerful

spk_0:   25:16
Well, I mean, Karen, the influenza just the flu itself killed 60,000 people, a year himself. So So the, um the issue is, is, I think, is very significant and just understanding that boy. There's billions of dollars that are going to be spent on vaccinations. What if we spent billions of dollars on helping everybody improve their immune system? That would be, ah, that would do a lot. You would save a lot more lives that way, and and, ah, that's a That's a That's a guarantee, as that's a no, that's a slam dunk. And there's no one who can argue that. I don't know what

spk_1:   26:05
that's the good stuff. It's not the shortcut, It's the Hardaway, but because you have to worry about diet and exercise and all those things that people hate doing. But it's it's got to be. It's got to be the end of the day that that's what it is and let I guess, natural selection. Take it for a song. That's mean.

spk_0:   26:25
I can't believe you just said that

spk_1:   26:28
I felt like it is. Let's let's shift gears a little bit of like outsource outside of normal self care, like we just talked about the heart stuff, right? Good diet, good exercise. What are some other ways and other things that you've done, um, on yourself on your patients toe. Help Teoh up, regulate their immune system

spk_0:   26:53
to do so. Um Well, are we talking supplements? Are we talking novel? I've got some.

spk_1:   27:01
Yeah, some out of the box thing.

spk_0:   27:06
Okay, this might be good for this one. So So obviously I work in, uh uh from the orthopaedic side. And the, uh, the sports medicine side have been very involved with in optimizing output of, um, for four athletes with improving, um, improving this manage stress from that environment, but also to be the most efficient it can. And, you know, you've heard my spiel about baking soda, and that has been more here we don't use making, so we use more advanced type of alkalinity aspects of how we can work with that. But that's a real deal. I mean, you can absolutely improve output. Um, with with that process, let rip with

spk_1:   28:06
stock. For those of you, for those folks that that are just getting to know you, I realized I forgot to talk about your credentials. Um, he's practicing, you know, board certified surgeon for the last 25 years. But most importantly, in relation to this topic. Now he is the medical consultant, or he's been the medical consultant for the N B A. The NFL. You were at the hall of your honored at the Hall of Fame. I saw the pictures jostle 32. That was exciting as hell. Um, and also, um, you know, cocky, right? I don't know all of my sports acronyms, but it's he's coming from a world of treating professional athletes. And when he was telling me about this this thing that to me as a normal non out, they found nuts. It makes total sense when you're relating it to how you're improving your immune system. So just for the folks who have not heard of Dr Saves he is coming from that place. So definitely an interesting, interesting Um, take the dark. Please. Please continue about that.

spk_0:   29:09
So let me paraphrase that Karen and tell you that what my kids would say is I got a little credit.

spk_1:   29:15
Hey, got some street cred

spk_0:   29:17
that Well, that's right, Star. Wait, I blew it. But whatever. Um, it's so so yeah, Absolutely. I mean, that's you. If if I can. If I conduce things to improve, uh, the efficiency of what we think is a healthy cell and make it stronger, but still working that home, you static pattern. Then then I know I can take that anywhere and make a six sell much better. And that's that's how I initially started over 10 15 years ago where I really transitioned into, um, into doing a lot more outside of just the sports world. But working on on everything in neuro degenerative. Uh uh, you know, immune issues, disposed issues. And that's kind of about the evolution of all this is has has moved forward. So

spk_1:   30:24
I've never heard you say it like that talk ever. This is this is fantastic because we are going through How did how you got here? And in fact, we just released an article on your block about that you wrote about why your life's work has been dedicated to sell efficiency. And you just said something that I've never heard you say, which is used to take healthy your cells and make them more efficient. And now you're taking that one step back, and now you're you're almost going to tune in to the non healthy people like me. I don't know about this stuff, but taking six cells, making them healthy again and then making them officials.

spk_0:   31:01
Well, it goes back to I can tell you exactly how it happened. I mean, it's just it's it's actually interesting. I just you you. So you get an athlete who comes in that you think is in. They're the They're the best example of health. Yet I found that maybe they weren't the best example of health. Maybe they overtrained and they had issues with sleep or issues with their gut. Or, um uh, brain fog or not. You know, they could they could perform at a high level, and their cell was efficient in a certain way, but it wasn't efficient. Um, like, I see cell efficiency and working on all cylinders. And And so So I started as I started working on cell efficiency in in working on either if I operated on someone to accelerate their healing and so forth, you know, people would tell me I get these mess secondary messages like, Hey, Doc, I had to tell you I'm sleeping better or eight, Doc, I'm gonna tell you that got problem. I had I don't know if I told you this, but that's gone. Or my my gastric reflux is gone. Or that heartburn I had is gone or or Hey, Doc, you know I had Ah, I used to get these areas of where I itch and, you know, like, little psoriasis thing, Cerise system. I mean, it was it was it was all those things that I I started to realize that Oh, my gosh. You know, we're working on cell efficiency. That totally makes sense to me while this is improving and I knew the pathways, I knew all the pathways of oven efficient cell, and I just so I would go back and I would look in the literature, the brain, or the kidney or the stomach. I started looking for papers to correlate to what I was thinking, and oh, my gosh, it was right there. It was. It was like, you know, was that euphoric moment of uh ho, My gosh, this is so cool. And and that that was easy for me because I already had this library of papers that were much easier now to put everything to gather because I was correlating it to real world with real changes that I was seeing. And then it just it's snowball into where you get you would get a, uh, you know, a couple players telling the physician who would tell the general manager who would tell the owner, And then you start getting more you get, You get patients that way who are? Hey, can you help me with my brain, doc? It sounds like you kind of work with that. Or can you help me with my God? And so it just It just blew into all of that and and And it I wasn't seeking it out at all, But it was It was a lot of it's all. And it has been It's ah again. It's a gratifying thing. Where you a surgeon? I like fixing things. It's fantastic. I think I'm very good at it. You gotta be a hockey for sure that I'm good at it, but But it's it's It's the next step of really being in this regenerative space of where I feel like I'm really healing people and and and I know what to do and I know what works and that's why I went to medical school. That's what I thought I would learn in medical school. And and I didn't, um and so it's just been a It's a continued process, right? I, um I'm learning every day and I listened to my patients. I really listened to what they tell me, because that's how I got here. I listen

spk_1:   35:00
absolutely doctors. You do things differently from all the other doctors that I've worked with. Um, so I do a lot of it running, running agency, just helping doctors with the marketing. And what's interesting about you is I've had one of the top, you know, HRT doctors, doctors. He rise told me the doctor seeds is like a guy with five brains. He's just this this genius that nobody's heard of. Um, and I have found that to be 100% true, especially in the way that you're connecting things together. The information is there, right, and that's why when we talk about all the new things that you're doing, it's always based upon the existing research. What's been proven, what hasn't been proven, what do you think your theories are, and then the connection between all of these things, even though they're not part of the same school of medicine, right? So that's what makes Dr Seeds. You know, Dr States, because I frankly don't find that all on doctors, they stick to their there, you know, relatively, you know, their smarts, hell, but they're there in their one practice, and Doc sees does it differently. And that's why I feel good.

spk_0:   36:19
Well, it's nice to you to say that, and I don't um that's yeah, that's nice. You say I just like right, I'm a I We can't let my wife know that cause she'll want it. She'll think my head don't get too big, so we gotta be careful without gonna be careful of that. But getting back to so getting back to all of that to your original question. And I know I went off tangent there, but on a tangent. But so one of the things I did early on 0/10 years ago. Um, even before that, probably we looked at ways of just normal. So back then, a lot of things were, you know, how do you What was the sports drink or what was the drink that you used for the athlete too, too hot to hydrate them or to give them or energy. Or, um, you know, those type of things were a big height back then, and I guess they still are. And my focus then was Boy, I don't want my athletes. I don't want to change the way I don't want something to hype them up. I don't want to over stimulate the sympathetic nervous system. I want them to be calm, but I want the cell, too. Be efficient and ready to roll. Well, we know we know through, uh, just basic aspects of cell physiology and pathology that when a cell is at its maximal expansion, um, where the cell is stretched to its maximum not to bag, but it's not swollen. It's not shrunken that cell efficiency is also in a maximum. That eat pH is is right, um, that it's in a it's protein synthesis is increased. You could almost say it's in an anabolic state, and I want to be careful with how I use that word, but it's it's in a building state. Okay, so we know through the literature specific to the to the to the liver, there was there, spend some great work done there and just looking at ways of maximising the deliver cell. And in particular, there was some work done it, looking on some specific amino acids like Alain Aime girl I seen and gloomy in particular, and how those amino acids could be used to increase the cell volume. And why is that important? Well, if you could come up with just putting a couple amino acids in just some water and maybe add something to improve the electrolytes of that water, I think that is a pretty incredible workout. Drink where you're optimizing the cell, you're keeping it. You know, when people talk about hydration. I'm not thinking about hydration. I'm thinking about keeping that cell at its maximum efficiency. And I'm doing it by giving a certain asked amount of amino acids that I know are important and changing what we call Osmo polarity. And this would be called, Uh uh, this would be calling a high pop. It's called a hypo osmotic, Um, change. But what happened 12 a little bit and get to its right size and then and with with that, you're just giving that that athlete the ability to really be at at Max a moment, and I really liked it, and I still it was kind of one of those things. Like if you if when these guy would guys would go back to their training with their teams or or wherever they left my place with a milk jug of glass, milk jug and with their name on it and and, like, drink on it. It was anything fancy of it. It was just there milk bottle that they could fill up every time with, like, a uh uh like a leader and 1/2 of water, I think, or or like, 1/2 gallon, Um, it was 1/2 gallon milk jug, actually, still is. And, uh, you mix your water, you put your nose in it and you put a little bit of ah, lemon juice or, you know something to keep the flavor right, and, ah, like a shot of coconut water because the electrolyte balance of coconut water is the same. You know, potassium, sodium. All those and so the same is what your body is. So it matches that So you're getting your electrolytes, but more so you're optimizing that sell so I'd have people sip simply that stuff all day long. And actually, if you came to my office, you'd see that's what I do. Every day I sit. That's my hydration break. And so it's just been part of the routine. Well, as as we as people would ask me more about Haydock, you know, I got to tell you something. I'm doing this and these may be people that aren't, You know, they're just doing the right diet. They're doing the right exercise. They're not doing any supplements. They're just doing this amino drink. They would tell me, Doctor, you know, I'm not getting a sica's. I used to. I used to get sick five times a year. Might got sick once this year or I get that kind of feedback over the years. And, you know, I went back to couple those papers and I was thinking in my head Well, obviously this has got to do with some of the pH changes of what happens, but you're maximizing the cell efficiency. Um, that make sense. I mean, viral replication is gonna be decreased in a cell that you're improving. PH your neutralizing pH more and your you're you're affecting the ability of that virus or whatever, locate. And in fact, I found a paper specifically related to that that was written back in 1998 1998 about and in the in the in the liver, talking about viruses like C, M V and hepatitis and things like that that are different. More like CFB. I'm sorry, but, um that this cell efficiency and swelling right there, you know, improve increased Ph and decreased viral replication. I'm like, Oh, my gosh, this is like, This is so crazy it, But it makes that's right. The pathways made sense to me. And, ah, so in that in thinking along those patterns and just knowing how it worked and how if how it how? I mean, I would say it's part of my routine with everybody. Um, I thought about this with this Corona virus than I was thinking. It's This is really actually the first time I've talked about it because you brought this out pay whether things you do. I mean, here's a great way, an easy way, a cheap way for everybody to actually improve their own cell efficiency, regardless of the state you're in. Um, because it works in healthy cells to do it, it improves that that's really hydration. If you want to think about hydration, it's like, Well, what are you doing to effect that cell? And, um, I absolutely believe that it hasn't a riel influence on any type of viral. I don't care what the viruses or that it's it's gonna have an impact on that.

spk_1:   44:33
Absolutely. This is a great segue way into our next topic, which is to, you know, ever since we released the baking soda article, it's been it's been, you know, people have been taking it and feeling good. We can talk about that in a second, but I want to take this moment to kind of come back at the haters. There have been a couple folks that have thrown some generalized pieces out there to say that baking soda and lemon juice I don't know where. Let me just give it. But we're baking soda. Will done has zero effects on viral replication. So

spk_0:   45:13
well, you know, take

spk_1:   45:14
a moment.

spk_0:   45:16
Yeah, I gotta take a breath with that one. Um, and I don't blame, you know, it's I think, it's just it's where it's where your level of of knowledge, I think begins or starts and people aren't So I think the number one thing is, um is that people were kind of getting to hooked into this acid base metabolism of pH like, Hey, you know, the body does its own job regulating pH and and it never you You can't. You know, if you change pH too much, you you're not gonna be alive. You know, you're not your The body is just not made like that. It's that you have the kidney, you have the kidneys can and and your respiratory system can regulate acid basement travels on. And that's absolutely true. You they do. Manager pH and your pH is a very small window of where it lies. But But you have to understand that when we talk about, um when when we even talk about like meant low grade metabolic acidosis, you can have a low grade metabolic acidosis and have a pH of the normal range, and and this goes back to understanding mechanisms of acid load and base load in the body. And I think the best example of this is is all the literature that's been back since the seventies. That's in endocrinology and metabolism. This isn't stuff I'm making up. This is really literature that validates and we can. We've measured this that when you are in a mild ass, idiotic state, you are losing nitrogen in the Europe toe. Lose nitrogen in the urine means you've got to be breaking down amino acids and amino acids. They don't just live all over the body. There's a pool of amino acids, and they come from muscle. So if you're losing amino acids, meaning you're having braked out of muscle, that's card, cult circle pina. That's what happens as we get older. We get Sir Kapini A. What else do we get? We get osteoporosis. So let me just back up with that, giving you that foundation and say, OK, well, let's look at this way and let's look the Western diet and say, Wait, I would tell you that And and it's. This has also been proven that the diet is more protein based than it is more Vegeta, vegetable based and meeting proteins produce are really what produced the acids in your body that the, uh, the sulphuric acids in the non carbonic acids those type of things, and they have to be. They have to be back. Why meeting like vegetables on and you want a balanced those? Well, nobody. It's very hard for most people to get enough vegetables to do that, and and and what I'm just saying is so the body will adjust. The kidney will adjust to that net acid increase of diet that you you take three times a will. Where it will. The body will compensate through the kidney, and what it does is it makes ammonia or Yuria. And that's how it balances this acid because it takes like, gloomy, and what it does is it takes glutamine and then glued to me. It's the first thing it takes, and and that's how it it removes ammonia or Yuria, which will balance the pH. But the net acid load is still there, so it's ah, it's a higher net acid load. Will. That net acid load takes a toll over time on the body, and in fact, that leads to more issues with oxidation of more, um, amino acids like branched chain amino acids of the of the muscle. And it also leads to the bodies looking for sources again to balance this acid load. So it's going to take out July like, uh uh, now fly from bone And it's to do that. It didn't de mineralized his bone to some bone lives A calcium, you was phosphorus. You lose magnesium and you become even. You lose your losing bone ability to build bone now. So that's where osteopenia and osteoporosis coming to play with Sarka Pina And it all correlates with how we age. It's because of this little ass idiotic state. And and the point I'm making is yeah, the pH may be fine, but guess what If you give bicarbonate and I'm talking about just bicarbonate, you stop nitrogen walks. So I'm stopping temporarily. I'm stopping a loss of muscle, and at the same time, I'm going to stop the loss of the minerals and the alkali from bone just with bicarbonate. That's a pretty powerful statement. Karen t tell you what's happening in the body if you if you don't. If you're not comprehending that, that's a big deal. And that has everything to do with how this all leads to inefficiency of the cell and, um in, uh, with this low grade metabolic out acidosis because it has everything to do with intracellular. PH Also, um, it is white. Go

spk_1:   51:53
ahead. So you're not saying that the baking soda, which is bicarbonate, you're not saying and you have never said those that baking soda will do something to the pH? You're saying that what the baking soda actually does is it helps to prevent the minerals lost in bone by because of too much acid, and then also the immediate loss in muscle from too much as it.

spk_0:   52:23
Yeah, yeah, and I'm just trying to give them a correlation of something they'd understand. So when we're talking about because it does, it does, it's only takes. So it does affect the cell. And this increase acidosis, you know, small increase. Even though pH is normal, there's still an acid, a small, uh, metabolic acidosis that affects the efficiency of the cell and the cell inside. That pH is affected also, and it may be very small changes, but that environment, if it's more acidic, the cell is not functioning and its optimal, and the virus depends on that. The virus depends on that, um, that ph to be acidic, so it can activate and replicate because it's it's gonna opportunity. Because Prodi aces for the the virus where it comes in and steals the the mechanism of Arnie and Dina and transcribing Prodi aces and cited clients to stop it. It hijacks the cell. And when it hijacks a cell, the environment is more to its liking in that in that state, and that just makes sense. All of this makes sense. If you think through that. And in fact, I mean, we can go. We can go deep on this. So there's there, are there's. There's just some of the greatest research coming out right now about macro. Feige is so macro phasers air one of your first line of defense immune cells that comes to the rescue of of, of taking care of virus like Vagit ties, ing viruses or or eliminating bad cells. And guess what we know now. There's been just tremendous bench work done and showing that bicarbonate will improve the efficiency of a macro fish. It'll improve the macro Feige his ability, uh, to, uh to produce, um, to efficiently use, interfere on which is something that is a activator in the macro fish. Uh, starting that innate immune system to kill the virus. So it's going to send out messaging to the cell, not only trying to fagina ties itself, but also messages that it's gonna send out. So it goes because very deep. And I, we could go all those what I can go down and tell you what happens. And there's an improvement in the inflammatory known um activation that activates the transcription of nuclear factor Kappa Be that then transcribes into interleukin one beta two to necrosis factor Alfa to interleukin six. To all these factors, that and chemo kinds and those Proteus is I mentioned that it initially are very important in attacking that that virus initially and bicarbonate improves that that's that's a fact. That's a fat um well, there's just money. So we know there's this thing called Proton motive forces. Also, that that we know bicarbonate is very we know about. Carbonate works well with Let's just back up and say, You know, you gotta be careful with making generalizations because we already know and plenty of literature showing that with bacterial infections, bicarbonate can be very effective and not up not only up regulating, um, antibiotics that work against the virus are the bacteria, but also improving the capability of the bicarbonate to change these Proton motive forces that work in the cytoplasm of the bacteria that make it so the bacteria is not as effective is getting into the South That's in bacteria. So So that's and it's an antimicrobial. And it's been proven and shopping if active. Well, it even goes deeper, and I know you want to come up. But I gotta say this last part. No,

spk_1:   56:52
I love it.

spk_0:   56:53
I say no stock. Oh, so So So it was even more interesting. Is work is being done it looking at the body makes its own, uh, antimicrobials. We have our own with their called, uh um, uh, they're antimicrobial peptides in particular there called Kath Elicit Tins. That being the only one we make is called L 0 37 Well, this is something we make in the lungs we make in the gut very important with the epithelial cell in the in the long and in the lining of the gut, the bicarbonate works on up regulating these katha less intents. Okay, so this is there's so many other I could get into Cowtown. Abbell is, um, calcium. Metabolism is so important in cell efficiency, and bicarbonate can absolutely have an effect on cell efficiency because because viruses come in and they hijacked the cell and they mess up. Potassium pumps are I'm sorry, calcium pumps. And they hijacked the mechanisms of how the cell utilizes calcium well office. If bicarbonate is helping a cell become more efficient by, it's automatically helping that cell control calcium mobilization in the My Conry and in the sight of Plaza. Well, the virus depends on the metabolism of calcium to be, um, to be inefficient, and it, you know, it hijacks that to replicate and activate. So there's a lot to this subject that it is not about just this blood ph stuff. Yeah, waiting for your way, You can't you can't. It's hard to say that in a blawg, and it's hard to say that in a two minute video where all I was trying to do was to motivate people to go get that bicarb out of their pantry. Because I'm going to tell you something. You can empower yourself with just a little bit of bicarbonate because I know it works and, um into toe. Add to that is just what we talked about before of I've been overwhelmed, overwhelmed and, uh, extremely humbled by all the physician and patient stories of people with Positive Cove it and people that didn't get tested. But with symptoms all improving on just bicarbonate, that's amazing. I think it's that I think it's a compelling story. I mean, what? It's a very compelling story, and I don't mind, uh, I don't mind having that discussion with anyone.

spk_1:   59:57
Yeah, and this goes back to the fact that people are just refuting the science behind what baking soda does. Onda Doc isn't saying yes or no to that. He's saying what it woz this a cell efficiency thing. Uh, it's improving the all of your cells. You know, you talked about three different kinds of cells that I'm gonna have to google up on DPA pin to the screen later when we're done with this. Oh, that's

spk_0:   1:0:24
just it's it's it's talking about redox of a cell and read ox is is all about acid base metabolism and redox is essential to survival, and Redox is very sensitive in the cell, in controlling inflammation and controlling efficiency, and that's really what it comes down to. And we we we have absolute direct evidence that that bicarbonate can be very important in that role. It's Ah, yeah, it's It's I guess if I kept thinking about it, um, we could go even further. It it is. So we know, um, here something also by Harbin it so a lot of people are taking vitamin D and vitamin D. I'm a big believer in vitamin C and vitamin C and vitamin K and vitamin A. I think those are all very, very important, as you know, the vitamin C and A and E. And so far they're scavengers. And they're great at working as antioxidants to some in okay, scavenging free radicals. And it's all about electrons and taking electrons. But what's important to understand about vitamin D? No matter how much vitamin do you take, it has to be activated. Um, it has to be, uh, it has to be activated to be functional and and to be activated, you need you need glued. If I o to do that which is in antioxidant, you need glued. If I own to make some changes, um, that will activate vitamin D. Well, we've talked about. I think we talked about that before. But what you also what people don't understand our don't realize is that bicarbonate can improve has been proven that bicarbonate can improve this activation of vitamin B. Ah, invited. It's been shown that vitamin D has a crucial role in working against, ah, viral replication and working against viruses and improving the immune system and working against really against decreasing, like to necrosis factor Alfa Um uh decreasing interleukin six. But it's involved in so many reactions, uh, that it's a it's vital to to to working with with the immune system. And, uh, that bicarbonate actually works with improving that, uh, the activation of vitamin D. So

spk_1:   1:3:17
this is this is huge stuff stock. Is this your Because baking soda is so cheap and it is everywhere you can find it anywhere. There's no shortage of it of, and it could do so much good for you outside of just yeah,

spk_0:   1:3:33
sure. Prevention virals Fred. Yeah, and I actually you could go. Even we could go even further into cortisol. I mean, there's an inverse relationship of cortisol and bicarbonate in the blood cortisol

spk_1:   1:3:47
the brain chemical chords all

spk_0:   1:3:50
well, cortisol can be a stretch is a stressor. It zahn a body stress, or basically that that up, that sometimes could be overactive and can cause court too much. Core is all unique cortisol to stimulate cells, but too much court result can be a significant stressor. And in fact, there's a I didn't want to go down this pathway, but there is a, uh, there's a glucocorticoids receptor, which is what cortisol will work on that can be activated in a cell that can increase. That is actually something that can increase the ability of a virus to get into a cell and replicate. But but what I really was getting to the point of and and that's in the hole that that's actually been work that's been looked at with herpes viruses and so forth. And this will make sense to people. When people feel stress what happens there, her petticoat lesions start to come out right that they have the people with herpes issues. They know they hit those pro drome assigns. They've been having been sleeping well, if you got a lot of stress and then they see some prophetic lesions that come up has everything to do with this. This glucocorticoids receptor and an increased stress cortisol and how it influences that receptor and what it does is it just activates gives the ability of this virus because it works on this couple pupil couple K u PPL transcription factor that works along a transcription factor. It's couple 15 transcription factors that works alongside of this glucocorticoids receptor that all together that enable and this is some recent work. Actually, that's just brilliant. It enables this fires to be reactivated and in in cells, so inner self. So what I'm saying is, we know we know there's a direct correlation with cortisol and viral replication. Can't kids deny that? Well, I'm gonna take out a step further and tell you bicarbonate is inversely proportional to cortisol intracellular or in the serum so bicarbonate can affect. So if we can elevate, if we can improve the alkali or the bicarbonate, we can decrease the effect of cortisol, and, um and that's a very interesting concept. There it So

spk_1:   1:6:26
that's super cool. So and I'm just connecting some dots here, um, taking baking soda. Not only does all of these things for you, but it also can prevent Ah, herpes outbreak.

spk_0:   1:6:39
Well, so Okay, so you I'm just getting So is we go down this road, Doc, is I'm just pulling up paper. I'm getting really theoretical. Um, but I'm showing, but I'm showing you bench work. It is showing that has every bit of relevance. Is too. Um, I haven't proven that. No one's proven that what I'm telling you. There some absolute correlations. So So, yeah, I, um I'm Jenny told me there's a there's a lot more to this than then just ph. But then, but then I'm gonna take a bold move here, and I'm going to say Okay, I'm also treating people. I'm also a physician. Yes, and I'm utilizing this and I'm seeing results. So So as this person that I feel pretty confident with my science, I feel I feel even more confident when I see results that I can correlate to that and and I'm gonna I'm gonna be the 1st 1 to tell you. You know, sometimes I don't have all the answers, but I sure have enough support on this. I believe the really bring toe light something that is becoming even more significant in in in the understanding of Redox and Asset Base Metabolism unknown and take one more level here, I'm going to tell you, and I think we talked about again. There's tremendous amount of research being done in the renal bench work about how bicarbonate changes the pH in the stomach and how the pH change going from acid from an acid state to more face state. That change of pH in the stomach not in the serum but in the stomach activates this. What we've would call the colon urging anti inflammatory pathway that works through the vagus nerve system that comes from the brain. But it actually travels through the Spank Nick bed. Well, what we think is it effects. It works through the mezza feel Liam of this plank Nick Bet, and then that affects the spleen. And that affects the macro fishes. Through what's called the nicotine IQ album, it must heretic receptor. That is something that causes changes in good changes in macrophages that turns them into, uh, uh, anti inflammatory type of cells versus pro inflammatory, which is what when the innate immune system goes crazy. That's what's going bad and so I could directly correlate that also to talking about bicarbonate. And and that's a fact. Um, so So this is really significant, really significant and goes, I think I think we could talk all day about this and

spk_1:   1:9:43
talking about so many pathways. Not just one or two. It's It's like, This is where I think you were talking about. It's a rabbit hole because it'll continuously show these improvements in all these pathways that you're finding some correlation to it. It's I don't know how this isn't such a big way. Almost need to name this podcast. No sex, drugs of genetics and baking soda.

spk_0:   1:10:11
Well, um, yeah, I guess. Uh,

spk_1:   1:10:16
e this is a rabbit hole.

spk_0:   1:10:19
Well, that's what that's what we do. We go down rabbit holes. This is what makes it fun annex and exciting to know that that you is the patient or that you can empower yourself and and do a good job of it. It's ah, you know the other. I could get into the other aspects of these stories where you get back, you know, people talking about their gastric reflux, or they had hpai Lori, or they had things that they had stomach issues. And they just use this baking soda for this reason for the Corona stuff. And all those things got better too.

spk_1:   1:11:00
Wow. Do you think a stupid question? But I'm just super curious. Um, do you think this will help with pets if we gave them a little dose of baking soda like dogs, cause Who cares about cats?

spk_0:   1:11:15
Oh, my gosh, you're trying to get me in trouble with vetting area.

spk_1:   1:11:19
Everyone. You in trouble with everyone?

spk_0:   1:11:22
Um, well, I think it. I think with any cell with acid base metabolism, it's not. There's no different. I mean, it's all about the same thing. It's redox of a cell. It's, um so I think, Yes, I just got to be a little careful with again. It's all how you it's how you buffer and, slowly, what we talked about before. You got to do this very slowly. That's why we did like 1/2 a teaspoon soda over three times a day or a couple of every couple hours, depending on what your symptoms were to out to to increase that alkalinity as you want to call it. So I think you have to be You probably have to be a little more careful with a with a dog, depending on size. And that's Ah, that would be a whole other discussion.

spk_1:   1:12:20
Got it? Got it. I

spk_0:   1:12:23
tell you. Go talk to your dad about that. Now, could I give you some insight? Maybe I don't want to make any money. My buddies, all my vet buddies. Bad.

spk_1:   1:12:33
It was just the thought that came to my head because, I mean, I read the crazy article about and I'm sure you've read this to dock Where, um, dogs are contracting coronavirus somehow and and spreading it to other dogs.

spk_0:   1:12:49
Yeah. Yeah, I

spk_1:   1:12:51
wouldn't I wouldn't want my puppy getting that.

spk_0:   1:12:53
It it's interesting. I think you could. I mean, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I think you're good. Yeah. Um, now, I for I've seen that. I don't think I really don't think that a dog when it gets this can reinfect a human. I don't think that's possible, but anything's possible. Yeah. Can they give it to another dog? Possibly. Yeah. Um but I don't I don't see any reason why acid base metabolism wouldn't work in the in an animal also knowing that for Yeah, definitely.

spk_1:   1:13:28
That's typical. Well, I think what will shelf the baking soda there, bring it up again? Another episode as they re title or quad cast. Oh, this is really cool stuff. Um, so I would like to touch upon, you know, the sex part, right? The male and female part. And specifically, I want to talk to the ladies because we as women, that we spend a lot of time, especially women of a certain age. We spent a lot of time trying to turn back the clock when it comes to, you know, some of the vanity things that we do take care of, like our skin. Um, and one in particular we, we women always know about college in and the importance of it. Ah, you may have even taken some beauty products that are topical that have, you know, college and boosting materials. And we all you know, we talked about earlier how immune boosting is the wrong white. See it right? It's about strengthening, not strengthen even one of a strengthening. It is improving the efficiency of yourself. So I want to bring that back to our beauty talk. Um Let's talk about the beauty. Specifically college it, Doc. Um, how you know? And some women know this. I'm don't I certainly didn't. So I love the kind of here you talk about. You know? What is it about collagen? Can it be done by putting it topically? And if not, then what is our What is another option?

spk_0:   1:14:47
Suren? And again, this is I think that's I think that's in everybody's mind. Um uh, where, um from your from asking for the beauty side, it's always that question. And that's where you see all of these peptides in cosmetic products. And I'm gonna tell you a lot of these peptides Aaron active peptides and are complete bs that aren't functional. But they put a lot of them in these products, and but some of them are. I'm just saying you got to be careful. And maybe that would be fun to go through a debunk a bunch of that.

spk_1:   1:15:27
Uh, I

spk_0:   1:15:28
gotta be careful with that. Uh, but I instead of putting peptides on the on the skin and to penetrate, I, uh I look it like collagen peptides like this. I look it well, where the most useful there will there? Most useful coming from the inside. You know, a cell again. I'm looking at cell efficiency. How? Megan en route. Cell efficiency. And I I can actually just relate this to um Uh uh. I can just relate this to Ah. When I first starting, you started utilizing collagen. I draw list eight for just improving repair. Again, we go back to the orthopaedic stuff. I knew early on in the literature that collagen was just so important in tissue healing. And it's something that that I've always been a tremendous believer in and and fortunately, all the literature started coming along significantly supporting that. And just not just not Ligament is, but also bone us. We could stop us to a PDO with college in, uh, you don't have to take any CEO. So we talked about by carbon College, and that's crazy, right? But it's but it's riel. But the so that the point I'm trying to make is I have all these athletes and people on collagen and they come back to me and in particular the women would say they'd be smiling and I would think, boys, they're just happy with what I've done with their injury and and honestly, they were born. They were more happy to tell me like Dr Steve, my hair is more vibrant. My everybody says my skin shines, My face is fuller. And I would be like looking at them going and I was trying to get to What's the point? Three. Then they'd be like, Dr Seeds, it's the college in, You know, my nails are much stronger. They're growing faster. I'd be like, Well, of course they are. Yeah, that's what collagen does. It works on all that. And I just wasn't getting it, you know, like, oh, well, because they they kind of want to be some of these people like being minimalists and not wearing a lot of makeup and where they're just They were just so impressed that they didn't have to do much more and again, I listen to that, you know, I'm like, Oh, you Bill, you tell me. Listen to what they're telling you. And I I took that and I just started telling, you know, mothers and, uh, friends like, Hey, if you really wanna improve your aesthetics, just do this. Just do this collagen and oh, my Gosh, it was It was overwhelming that responses I would get. And maybe like, this is just crazy. Doctor seeds, my hair, my nails. Uh, how did you know? What? How did you come up with this? And I'd be like, Well, I really didn't come up with it. It's like my patients came back and told me, And now I'm telling you, and lo and behold, it's got you know, if you think about it and then you go back and you really you look at what I what you're doing to improve cell efficiency and improve tissue building and improve collagen Colijn, um, polarization And and, uh, how you want college in parallel and how it repairs. And you start to realize this totally makes sense. And so that's kind of how I got on that Karen with. I liked it. I like to say all of this is my own. I did this all myself, but again, I'm gonna really tell you it's the power of my patients giving me feedback and then putting some things together that say, Oh, my gosh, your idiot, Of course, college. And does that. And this is where you know you end up going to places like this and saying up, Wow, this college and could be it ends up being, I have to tell you it ends up even my even my, uh, octogenarians and my older hip patients and degenerative patients. When you put him on collagen, I'm gonna tell you another secret. You can really help people with arthritis tremendously with collagen, and you can even stop operations with it. But in some people, but what's really fascinating it's that it's the females, the older females that come back and go, Oh, doctor seeds. You know, my skin is fuller and I've got people say I'm just glowing and and it's just such a It's a compliment to you and you You're a girl's name, you know, Tell Tell Mabel that, you know, make sure you know she had her hair done for you today, you know, and your and I go in the room and I gotta be honest. My girls told me that you got your hair done and I just wanted to tell you they noticed, and then they'll tell you it's the collagen, and it's just gotten me to where I really feel good it's It's that kind of story. So stories that are so moving right that it's wonderful to be part of that and t see those things where you're just helping them with simple things that they can do. They're inexpensive, Um, and they feel empowered. So go ahead. I'm sorry,

spk_1:   1:20:57
You you've touched upon a couple of important things that I wanted again accentuate here. Um, you're not only helping athletes with their repair using Colijn, you're helping older women what in their eighties or some with with degenerative diseases, as I'm assuming that they're older and women that are not even taking care of their skin yet that the nice, generous side effect. So it's any person, not just women who can benefit from this very inexpensive thing, which, by the way, will put will pop the Lincoln for you after this. But, uh, this high collagen high draws a late you buy from Amazon,

spk_0:   1:21:39
I draw a seder. I draw. Probably would have whatever you want to call it. Curing it works for me.

spk_1:   1:21:46
E trust A late. Well, hydraulics eight. I

spk_0:   1:21:54
worked it. I'm just messing with you. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

spk_1:   1:21:57
So it this is this is an inexpensive How much is a dock? Just doesn't ballpark

spk_0:   1:22:04
things like $25 for just a tub of it. Yeah, and it just just I haven't put Oh, I think that's gonna get to my next My next. Uh huh. I I'll let you bring that up. Maybe go at it. Let's I dosage, doc. It's Ah, You want to use about two tablespoons a day. It's it's nice. If you could use to two tablespoons twice a day would be great. That's about that's about 12 to 15 milligrams of the of the colleges.

spk_1:   1:22:40
And how did the taste?

spk_0:   1:22:43
Um, well, I don't I usually mix it in something, so I don't I used to actually, I used to eat it with a spoon. You know, it was it's a vanilla flavor. It it's not bad, but you just told people to mix it into something into their coffee or their tea or there. Uh, is there water? Whatever.

spk_1:   1:23:03
Awesome. Awesome. Because that's the number one complaint I get about the baking soda thing Is it tasted CASS? No, but it's just like a one just down it and down some water and your goods ago and you'll get all of those benefits. But anyway, all right, well, this it's really great, Great tip about the collagen and and really, it starts from the inside out. So stop wasting. I'm gonna stop wasting all this money on expensive, you know, anti aging products that promote topical college itself. I think I just want to stick with this $25 thing that gets me a tub of collagen and just start producing that from the inside out. And that's that's the way to go.

spk_0:   1:23:44
It's made by Great Lakes. I think, um, it's an and Great Lakes. Uh, if you look at it, it's just sad. All it's always had a tremendous following. They do a great job, so it's an easy. It's an easy do it, and I like it because it's It's vanilla. It's neutral. So it's not flavor. And so it's easy for everybody to use

spk_1:   1:24:10
and were in no way affiliated with this company is just of doctor sees is a fan like that.

spk_0:   1:24:15
I'm not even Pip in my own

spk_1:   1:24:17
way. Don't do that here. Yes, awesome. So one of the biggest, uh, because I took a lot of coffee and Ah, you know, my boyfriend is always criticizing me about coffee, and I always say, Doc sees says it's OK for me to drink coffee all day as long as I'm getting enough sleep, which I am, um and so I love to kind of take it. Well, it will end on this topic. Um, can't tell. Tell me, can you give me Ah, elevator pitch version of your coffee talk? And this is this is, um it's right. It's that when you have too much coffee, it's pro TEM quote. Bad for you?

spk_0:   1:25:05
Sure, and eso. So I'm gonna say 4 to 5 cups of coffee is Maybe you don't want to go over that. That's that. And that's a lot of coffee, or I mean, I never go over that much. It's You may see me sipping throughout a day, but I never go. I don't go beyond that that I have. I I don't drink more than actually I probably won't get past four, maybe five, but it's always I'm just getting fresh. Hot call, especially in my conference, is when I'm running conferences. I always just fill it up like this much, and I just sip it and yeah, but people misconstrue it with Oh, my gosh, you drink so much. I don't know. I just This is how much I do, and I do it because And I guess that got into why I did a coffee talk in my certification. It's just a little fun thing, but just a t to follow up with what you said. Um, the coffee bean is a very powerful, I think, a very powerful antioxidant. Um, it's got Polly finals. It's got, uh, it's got so many. It's got, uh, so many different chemicals that we haven't even found everything in coffee yet it is beneficial. But let me just say a couple things without getting to detail. Yeah, we know. Statistically. Statistically, we know that I anywhere from that, that if we look back and through the research that a specific amount of coffee has a definite influence on a decrease rate of insulin dependent diabetes, there's increased morbidity mortality with heart disease with cancer with, uh uh are decrease in morbidity mortality. I'm sorry with heart disease, with cancer, with neurodegenerative disease, those air significant, and they're just not one paper there. Multiple papers citing the you know, they're meta analysis papers, and you can find lots of faults and that, but but the overwhelming aspect of the literature is there significant divergence for morbidity mortality with those just those three big players right there. Insulin dependent diabetics. Um uh, uh, one type two diabetes, cancer and heart disease and neurodegenerative disease. There's even a step forward of, ah, where were able to isolate a lot of what's in the coffee bean. And, ah, these things called fennel in Dane's it's a chemical of Finland ain, um that they've shown is what is the direct mechanism that binds up uh, what we call, uh, I am a beta Lloyd. And, um, uh I'm sorry, beta amyloid and, uh, Tao, which are proteins that basically caused neurodegenerative that are involved in neurodegenerative dysfunction. And these stop and this specific chemical stops the aggregation of that. And they've proven that, um, in models. So, um, they're different aspects of coffee that have significant influence on, um on the immune system here specifically And why I'm, uh I'm a really big advocate. I think it's we know it's orga genic. Also, we know it. Ergo, Jannik is ah, it can it improves? Ah, um, function like it can heighten the function of a cell to some degree. So it's a It's a good stimulant. Let's put it that way. Uh, so instead of instead of recommending like drinks specific, specific sports drinks to people to improve, uh uh to improve athletic performance or before work out, I tell people, Do your hydration drink that I talk about and I said, Do a little coffee and that's it. And and that has been coffee has been proven and has the most literature behind it to show that it is absolutely and it can enhance athletic performance. So it's heightening performance. It's, um, so there's there's a lot behind, but the but it's like anything else. It's like anything else. You can overdo it, and then it can be a bad thing. Okay, And that's the fun. Excuse me.

spk_1:   1:30:04
The fee saw it.

spk_0:   1:30:06
It's it's everything is like that, Karen. You'll see that is a recurrent theme. With me. It's all about balance. And

spk_1:   1:30:13
to see that

spk_0:   1:30:14
and so uh, is long as you don't go over that 45 cups of coffee. I I think you're and and you try to get riel, riel beans, that darker beans have more of these flavonoids and policy Knowles and, um, that cat Akins and just depends on what it is. These cat Akins and we get a way we could get all into the chemistry of, Ah, be a coffee. Uh, but and I think we should at some point, but the there's there's really science again behind this, and I'm I really believe in it, and, um and it's just overwhelming if you can really site and look at the literature and look at the influence it's had on all these diseases that are the top issues with what everybody's working in trying to improve it, it's like, well, cash. Why wouldn't I drink coffee? And it's doesn't have Ah, you can be care. You know, if you have a rhythmic at issues of the heart, you know, there's certainly some people can't drink coffee, but there very few Okay, it's It's like there's also there's always limitations with, you know, somebody will say, Well done, received was wrong, because if I have, ah, a heart problem or uh uh, it rid me of this is wrong and I'm going to say OK, but you're right. It's like there are some people that keeps one for the majority for the majority its in. And it's a really, I think another empowering thing just like drinking tea. And we could go into that part later about T U. Um, the how tea drinkers concert certainly influence the the immune system and improve their immune system and, uh, and work on things just like coffee, but in a different way. So, so much to it. But But the what else did I want to tell you? It was there anything else in with what? So

spk_1:   1:32:15
well, first, you know that Thank you for taking the science of the coffee bean. Ah, and for for really tooting how much you know about the cup, the simple coffee beans. But you told me about you know, we have all these. We have all these. I hate to call them, you know? Yeah, there they get excited only. No, I haven't I haven't used it on in the extend of state, but there's stuff like bulletproof coffee. There's Akihito coffee. There's the coffee, the you know, the strong coffees that that come with, um, all kinds of minerals and vitamins. But I was very unsurprised and yet pleasantly surprised to know that you have your own doctor sees coffee that you have every day every morning. And I would love to know what that is. What is The doctor sees Coffee.

spk_0:   1:33:15
I'm not telling way. Have to know. So yes. Oh, so it is. I don't know if you call a doctor sees copy, but that's kind of cool. Uh, but what I do and where I what I have most of my patients do is if they are coffee drinkers. I never try to convince people to drink coffee. It's I just tell them what I think about it up. But you could do the same thing with your tea, but with coffee. With this in particular, I have people mix in, ah, prebiotic that I have that's that comes and I have them get these little sachets of prebiotic. The one I use in particular is ah by Bruno, uh, that they can get off Amazon, and it's nice because they make these little sachets and it's a Allah Go sat right, like five milligrams. It's just perfect for the amount of probiotic that I need my patients tohave because I'm big about probiotics, not probiotics and improving micro flora. So I have them with the prebiotic in the coffee and the heat's not gonna change it. You're you're safe. Um, and collagen, the collagen. That's the second thing I put in Is the collagen Uh, hydraulics Say that I have them put in the It comes in a little sachet to like that Great Lakes makes one, and I have the mix it into the coffee and, um, and that that's an easy deal. And then I have one other thing that I have them put in, and it's ah, it's a very, very simple thing and that is, ah, pressed virgin olive oil. And it's just I know, I know we haven't even talked about that. But there's tremendous literature out there on press virgin olive oil and in particular, uh, specific. Uh, and we should say that I don't want to get I don't want to get off track, but we should really say that for another, that could be a tremendous yes, but I mixed that like I haven't put it, start off with a teaspoon and then build up over a couple weeks to two teaspoons if they can. Or they can just put another teaspoon later in the day of the press. Virgin olive oil and it's It's the same stuff you used to cook with. And there's particular ones we can talk about. But But just that combination, I think, is Ah, I think is a tremendous combination of of, uh, aspects. And I particularly used that for the brain who braid for

spk_1:   1:35:59
the five brains that you have easy

spk_0:   1:36:04
current. Easy. Okay. Uh, boy, that means I gotta put more in than it, uh,

spk_1:   1:36:13
music, you know, you know, 25 cups of coffee to feed each brain.

spk_0:   1:36:17
But see the nets too. Well, and well, maybe that's a great argument. I could have. Somebody says I drink too much coffee. Well, then I could see Yeah, I have more than one gray, but then that gets too cocky. And I don't do that kind of stuff so that we'd some death. Yeah, but that is a That is the way I have people do there. Yeah, that's that's my elected Dr Sweets call. Feel like

spk_1:   1:36:45
doctors? Coffee. I'm gonna I'm gonna definitely try it. I've already ordered it since we've talked about it last and preparation for this episode, so I can't wait to see it. But I'm definitely gonna do the colleges. The ladies, I will let you know how that goes, but it's it's we'll have some more beauty talks because that's a big topic for me personally, and I'm super interested in that. But yeah, we'll talk about some men stuff, too, if we feel like it. Uh, this was a fantastic follow up to the baking soda saying, Doc, thank you for taking the time and the science on the research behind prepping for this folks, if you have any questions, Are you have any? Any arguments we love to hear from you? Ah, let's not fight. You know, we'll show you Will, dock sees is happy to have a conversation with you. Um, if you need some more evidence to back some of these things that we're talking about, happy to do so follow Dr Seeds on social media on his blogged. He's go sign up on seeds dot m d to side upon its newsletter so that you were on top of everything and there for all the all the events that he does. Um, he's going to an event, I think, this weekend and then next month, Onda following week. Um, he's a busy guy, and we're gonna keep him here at least once a week with Doc. Thank you for taking the time today. Uh, I hope everyone enjoyed it. Any last words? Any plugs?

spk_0:   1:38:08
Ah, I just want everybody to be safe. And, uh, really, just I I'm very passionate about everybody take control of trying to improve their immune system And because I I'm a believer that this is something you have to empower yourself with and don't depend on. Other people, too. Come up with ways to keep you out of trouble. This is something you can dio. And, uh, I just think there is a long way we can go with this since and making some serious changes for people. Uh, no matter where you are in life, you Oh, can you? Everybody can improve on and have, and everybody's journey can be just as is fruitful no matter where you start from. So and I'm here to help. I'm here to help all those people and send these messages. I think that we can all do this together.

spk_1:   1:39:05
Well, that at any age, any part of the country, these empowerment, you know, nuggets of golden health information can really help change that.

spk_0:   1:39:15
Drinking anywhere in the world I took. I don't know if I told you this story about the bicarb, but I I had some of my Russian physicians that I work with insure ideas, and night sent them my video. And, um, one of the science, one of the top Russian scientist, she's she's a brilliant lady. Did a YouTube video and, uh, collect your tuck, and, uh, she got over 4.2 million hits on the by. Carmen.

spk_1:   1:39:44
Oh, my God.

spk_0:   1:39:45
And the government and YouTube took it down. Wow. Right. Wow. All right. And this this This this scientist is ah, is ah has my respect. Very, very, very brilliant, lady. Very brilliant. So, anyways, yeah. Nice dog.

spk_1:   1:40:06
You heard it. Here? Yes. Eso Toby's aspired with one. Thank you for joining a stock. Really appreciate it. Um and we'll see you next week.